
By guest blogger, Raye
Many butches are not used to someone wanting them. It throws them off. You femmes don’t realize how rare a butch-loving femme really is. All you see is that you can’t find any butches and you notice all the femmes in competition with you for one. Oddly enough this is what we see around us… our competition.
Ladies you have adoration from every direction. You are the picture of femininity that society loves. Even straight women admit that they can appreciate a beautiful woman and sometimes explore their curiosity born out of sheer desire for a beautiful woman. No one can tell you are different until you open your mouth. Butches are used to being treated like second class versions of men. They are sneered at by men, gawked at by straight women who clutch their purses when they walk by in a public restroom. They are very used to being unwanted by society as a whole. So, some of us may not know how to react when a woman shows interest. Some butches are very guarded and fragile. Don’t forget that at the core they are part woman too. They have a sensitive side that men don’t usually have unless they are gay. They feel self-conscious just like you. They wonder if they look ok. They wonder if their hair is just right. They wonder if you will be ok with the flaws of their bodies. Sound familiar?
Being gentle and kind like the beautiful women you are is so attractive and does a lot to tear down those guarded walls. Butches have a hard shell from having to fight off scornful stares and protect their hearts from hatred on all sides. We learn not to notice the way people look at us because if we did, our hearts would be perpetually broken. Unfortunately this means that sometimes we don’t notice the stares of loving adoration. Sometimes, some of us just can’t help being shocked at someone wanting us. It is not your fault but you can do a lot to heal those wounds and reach the soft inner layers hiding beneath the surface. I cannot tell you how I have been floored by beautiful women who realized that I was just as nervous as them and made moves to make me feel more comfortable.
I slept with one woman whose body was perfection and I felt like hiding under the covers around her. I could not understand what she saw in me physically. But she saw that I was scared to death and turned the lamp off to make me feel more at ease and then began telling me how sexy I was. It was weird because I could not get comfortable enough to be my aggressive self. I assumed she misread this as me being unsure of myself in the bedroom. Unfortunately she never gave me enough time to open up and be the real me because the next morning she had clearly moved on. I felt like I had been terrible in bed. It killed my self esteem for over a year. I was so traumatized that I would not let a woman get close to me or even come close to making love for a year. Some years later she told me that I had read her reaction wrong and that she was actually terrified about how she had felt about me so quickly after that night so she pushed me away. But I still didn’t really believe her. Actually it was not until I met Sarah who wanted me, saw me as the dirty boi that I am (and encouraged it) that I got my mojo back. Sarah saved me in a sense. Without her I probably would still be avoiding sleeping with women. But the point is that I was more fragile than I or anyone else knew. I had numerous past lovers that became obsessed with me after sleeping with me but none of that mattered because that one girl was able to rip my self esteem to shreds with her reaction to one encounter. We are not as invincible as you think. It keeps us guarded.
I know that not all butches have these issues. But I know many of them do. The ones who are unable to express what it is that troubles them or makes them nervous around women are the ones I am talking about. They are the sweet ones you want to reciprocate and you wonder why they can’t. I am not talking about the ones who have no problems engaging in your flirtation. Many butches are confident and have no problem hitting on women and making conquests of as many women as they can bed down. Others are just confident in themselves and very strong personalities. I am an opinionated person with a very noticeable presence which normally would eclipse my butch friends when we would go out. I can’t help it. It is who I am. I personally have no problem talking to women because I grew up as a preacher’s kid and had to converse with strangers all the time. I had been conditioned to sing and play music in front of crowds since the age of three and this has been beneficial in my social interaction. But I still have moments of nervousness and awkward behavior when I like a girl. Ask Sarah how I reacted to her at first.
All that being said, I have not lost my ability to care for strangers or be open to new friends. But I think our community as a whole has lost its collective soul. We are obsessed with appearance and fashion and have forgotten to look for a heart connection. Maybe it is because all we do is hang out in gay bars because it is all the community we have in most places. But alcohol in my experience is never a catalyst for a lasting relationship. Where is the love man? We have to start coming out in public places outside of the bars and letting each other know we are there. And lesbians could learn to be kinder and gracious when they are being hit on by someone they may not be interested in. Being sarcastic and hateful to someone might make you think you are amusing to your friends but really it makes you look ugly and mean. I wish the latest generation of young adults could grasp this concept. Showing kindness and love is way more attractive.
And butches, bois, soft butches, sporty dykes and others, listen up. It is not attractive to (the right kind) of femme women, to be that cad in the bar drinking too much, hosting the beer pong game, flirting with all the ladies and talking too loud. You look obnoxious and we all know you are just trying to prove how cool and popular you are. It’s attention whore douchebaggery. So stop it. You might attract the skanky barflies but a real woman will see right through you and be completely turned off. Real women do not care that other women want you. Real women want to know that you will be faithful and treat them like you love them. And you wonder why your relationships are devoid of substance. Put down the blunt and read a book. Literacy is an aphrodisiac to femmes. Trust me on this one.
I have some advice for the shy, guarded butches too: give her a chance. Let her tear down your walls. She is on your side. If a femme is trying her damndest to get your attention, pay attention and trust that her intentions are good. You can feel a person’s spirit if you open up and really listen to her. Trust your intuition. Guard your heart but don’t be so guarded that you leave the femme hanging on a ledge. She is taking a big risk opening up to you too. Practice expressing yourself by talking to yourself alone in your room the way you would explain yourself to a femme. It sounds crazy but it helps you get used to getting your words out there. It also helps when you can’t go to sleep at night because you are thinking about a girl you like. Some women really love us. They are hard to find but if you don’t pay attention when they are trying to tell you, you might miss your chance. Don’t lose out because you are afraid to be hurt. Love is worth the risk. Be kind to each other.
And… party on dudes. Wild Stallions RULE!
Sorry I had to…
wow Raye…. just wow.. I wish.. my ex fiance and i broke up… she’s a butch.. and there was this communication block of sorts that i just couldn’t understand. ultimately i am learning so much more now that we have separated and we are talking things out. Her butchness… that covering over her super sweet heart is what i fell in love with. I see so much of her in your post. Thank you, I really learned something about the Butch side of life.
My ex girlfriend once accused me of being butchist and I had to laugh as she lightened up the situation. I was finding out that she was just as vulnerable feeling as I was. I love women, not someone who may as well be a man. Until somebody told me, I didn’t actually realize that a butchie also had that sensitivity that only women have. I need that to be there in order to connect in a deep and lasting way with someone.
I’ve always felt like I’m too femme to be taken seriously as a lesbian without making some kind of effort to put myself out there as one. A butchie does have it easier, but at the same time it breaks my heart that you go through so much judgment and get treated like a second class version of a man. What you are is a priceless gem that I want to love, nurture, and fuss over. I get a lot of judgment from my family and I have come to detest the words “lifestyle choice” and “abomination before God” but those are whole different issues. It’s not fun and it isn’t fair that you get that kind of treatment from everyone.
I’ve been wondering if being an aggressive flirt to put myself out there might make me less desirable because I’m being too aggressive and taking away from my femmeness. I feel self conscience about this now, but after yet another fight with my family last night about stupid stuff that made me feel like I wasn’t capable of doing anything right, reading “How To Flirt with a Butchie” this morning actually hand me throw my hands up in the air in triumph as I said to myself something to the effect of “Woohoo I’m being a lesbian right!” Ok, thinking about it that is pretty lame.
But late last night I was talking to my best friend about things, prompted by the family drama. She had told me that I needed time for myself and to understand that I could actually get to be happy one day. She also said that I needed to have people around me who accept me for me. It was her prompting that led me to search for people who might actually understand me.
Well, Raye, thank you very much for your words. What you have written, I really needed to read. Now, instead of feeling like a total freak destined for eternal unhappiness, I feel like I’m a desirable woman and I even know the rare woman that my heart beats for actually does exist. Now I just have to go find her… I wonder if she is at WalMart…
Clearly, my favorite post from you yet.
Kindness. Integrity. Mutual respect. Extremely well written, informative, down to earth post Raye. A post that encourages both femmes and butchies to recognize attraction in/with/by/from a most dignified and humanitarian approach. CCL has the best writers of any blog I’ve read. (And hello I love the post pic (blushing) before CCL I had honestly never seen such magnificent pics (too shy) and now I’m a little tiny bit of a “pic looker” lol -blushing-running away at public omission though omg that’s nothing compared to many commenter’s comment omissions hehe)
Opps wrong English term- not omission I meant admitting/admit/admission- u get the point- got the English jumbled up.
Oh Raye! Two posts from you?! Bestill my beating heart! Remind me to call you out at the end of every post I write in the future!
I apologize – I guess I too never stepped in the shoes of a butch woman and realized how people treat you all. I look more (energy wise I mean, not actual looks) like Shania Twain in a suit than kd lang, as do most femmes I assume. Considering how butch and boiish women seem to get women to swoon, I always assumed that they had the pick of the, ahem, litter. I mean women – straight, gay, bi, and somewhere in between – still drool over Shane. Carmen was pretty and all, but Shane was the panty dropper, no?
It honestly kind of blows my mind that butch and boiish women DON’T see themselves as sex on two legs. It seems whenever I go on a date with a butch woman, the waitress is inevitably flirting with her, not me, no matter how much cleavage I show (okay, there’s not much to show, but whatever). Femmes, is this just me?
Ah Raye, I’m sorry about your situation with that woman. Unfortunately, you’re reminding me of a situation with a loooong ago ex-bf, who when I invited him to my parents’ house, made a judgmental comment about his perception of our wealth differences (and by our, I mean his parents vs. my parents because it sure as hell isn’t money I’ve earned). The fact that I invited him there said that I judged him as worthy of being with me, but he got insecure and judged himself differently. That was an eye opener to me.
Raye, she wanted to be in bed with you. She judged you hot enough to be there. I know, body issues are far from something you can talk someone out of, but please butches (AND femmes and all women in general), don’t do that. That’s not fair to any of us.
I know when I invite a woman into my bed, it’s because I think she’s hot. Also? My version of hot might likely differentiate from someone else’s. I dated someone who had the kind of body that frankly, she should have done humanity a favor and walked around naked all the time. And I wasn’t attracted to her. And then I dated someone who definitely didn’t have the kind of body that most people swoon over but good lord did she make me weak in the knees. It was due to their personalities.
But you’re right. The thing I love about butch women is the hard shell and that oh so soft heart underneath. It’s truly the treasure I seek (um, well, one of them *blush*) and it can be easy to forget that despite the short haircut, perpetual jeans and the ties she wears on our date (I hope), she is a woman with all the flaws and fears and insecurities I have, in just a different package. I’ll definitely try to keep that in mind.
People gay, straight, trans-gender etc are SO very much more than the external package. Again, Raye your post to me truly encouraged both femmes and butchies to recognize attraction in/with/by/from a most dignified and humanitarian approach. Until we walk in another’s boots or 5 inch heels we never truly know where they have been or what they have been through. Like all butch loving femmes I am incredibly and magnetically drawn to the strength of character and strong sense of self, despite the ignorance encountered regularly by society, that I see in/from/exhibited by butch women. That strength is a long inward journey of self. Your post eliquently explained this. I also have endured many a long journey to get to my own place of inner strength. Different from that of butch women. Different from anyone. Each one of us comes to the table with a different journey, different scars, different experiences etc and your post encourages each person to learn, respect and be kind towards the journeys of those (butch or femme) that they encounter along the way. Again, very well written post Raye.
Omg Im going to send this link to every femme I know. Raye, you’re a truth sayer. Thank you.
Raye, I’m with Elegy, clearly one of your best posts to date. You’re on fire bro. Keep it coming.
You make my heart skip ……. If only I could be as brave as you encourage us to be.
Wow!!! Is the first word that comes to mind. You have an amazing way with words! Not only do you speak truthfully but with such passion it is no wonder us femmes adore you!
Absolutely loved this blog can’t wait to read more!!
Raye, thank you for an insightful look into what life is like for butches. It actually impacted my behavior today, and made me appreciate more fully, in the very personal (not just the theoretical or political) sense what life is like for the gender rebels/heroes that butches are. Your honesty is stunning, and necessary.
E is such a toughie, made so by how the world has treated her. She is physically unafraid of guys, she works in a male environment, she is hit on by straight girls who like to entertain the fantasy of being f-ed by a butch but don’t care about her feelings. Why I love her is because she is full of feelings, even as she has spent a lifetime pretending she has none, she is probably one of the most emotional persons I know. She remains surprised that someone (me) actually pays attention to her feelings, and cares about them. She is starting to get used to the idea that I welcome her intensity, her range of feelings, her imperfections. But I have so much more to learn, and I am grateful to her and to you for sticking with us femmes, as we learn to hear your more, listen more intently, accept more gracefully, with patience and openness, on this path to loving each other more fully and completely.
Again thank you everyone for the positive responses. I am shocked at how many have stated that it is my best blog yet because honestly I just sat down and began to write the feelings and thoughts flowing through my head at the time. I try to venture back to every instance I had to be stronger than I really am and I am relieved that the butches on CCL are not upset for me admitting these vulnerabilities. I also would like to say that I for one appreciate the femmes who dedicate so much love to us and want to know what makes us tick. Happy Holidays everyone.
Raye Hey wait a minute so it’s ok for YOU to say “Happy Holidays”
hehe after you told me in a recent comment section that saying Christmas was ok.
Big smiles- I’ve become VERY assertive over my 2 years on CCL so I’m just showing off my assertiveness. hehe
@LAFemme: Please don’t be afraid to speak to us! If you see a butch that looks butch, most likly…she’s butch! In other words, that 1% straight-butch you see out there is rare! So, your chances of meeting a person that is a butch/looks like a butch…is quite a high percentage! Just say hi when you see us and you will see the light-bulb go on.
Ladies/Femmes, please know that it is so much harder for us to see/recognize you all; however, you can see us so easily…!
Please say, hello! Please?
;____; I must have straight butch dar….
Elegy Does that mean you spot straight butches or you find/are attracted to women who turn out to be straight butchies? I seem to always find straight butchies. Just goes to (once again) prove you can just a book by the cover.
Raye This post could be turned into a top selling book.
The last one. It gets to the point where if I see a butch or more lesbian looking female, I just try to reassure myself that maybe she’s bi instead of straight. I don’t even get my hopes up that she identifies as a lesbian. @__@
Well written post. I have a curious question for Jaz. I’ve been an admirer of yours for awhile. I sense that you’re still single. May I ask what coast you live on? Just curious. I’m also wondering why you don’t allow comments on your site. I’m sure that many CCL readers, including myself, would like to comment on your posts. Sorry Sasha, I know that this is off-topic – but didn’t know how else to reach her. (No contact information on her blog)
Raye- “Ask Sarah how I reacted to her at first.”- ohhh please write a post on how you and Sarah met- I’m a sucker for love stories and I even got/successful encouraged
Sasha to write how she and Remi met. I’m so looking forward to the Raye/Sarah beginning post- please!
Sasha, again, I’m writing this here – because Jazmenha doesn’t have any contact information on her blog. To Jaz: I read your post today, regarding your position on comments. Although I understand your position, I’m interested in getting to know you. Would you please consider putting contact information on your site? That’s not the same as someone commenting, it just allows people to e-mail you. You sound like an interesting person, and you clearly appreciate butches. Are you open to a new connection? I understand that you’ve been deeply hurt, but past pain doesn’t determine present pleasure.
@Bravebutchboi – Put an email address for her to contact you at if she wants. Create one if you need to, but put it up here.
@Bravebutchboi – I hear you loud and clear, dude! And, please know and realize that…yes, she is a lovely and sweet woman with down to earth qualities. Please be a gentleman at all times with her, and good wishes.
Hey. I’ve been lurking here for awhile and feel it is now my sworn duty to comment. Gotta say that @Femme Lover’s last comment set off the creepster alarm down here at Zombie Fighter HQ and we are issuing red alert. Injecting herself in a conversation between Jaz and Butchboi falls within the established criteria for possible invasion of the undead. Alliance Zombie Fighters are strongly advised to follow command protocol and arm themselves to the teeth with silver crosses, holy water and wooden stakes. That is all.
Please keep comments only related to the excellent post that Raye spent time writting and sharing openly with us. Off topic discussions are for personal blogs. (Colonel- Please note, respectfully said, I am not participating in any off topic “conversations” with anyone on someone on this post. Again that’s what personal blogs are for.) Take care Jaz
Typo- meant:…. on someone else’s blog
Thanks for the suggestion, WWG. And also the well wishes, Femmelover. But I don’t feel comfortable posting a public e-mail. I tried to contact Jaz via her site, but the comments weren’t open. Happy holidays, everyone. (Colonel D. – you crack me up)
BraveBoyButch Thank you for your kind words and interest. I just posted to you on my blog this morning as to avoid going off topic in this comment section. Like you are not, I am not comfortable putting my personal email/information on the net or on my blog. Pls read my blog today. Happy holidays.
Jaz
BraveButchBoi – My apologies for mixing up in your name in my above post. I meant no disrespect unfortunately I didn’t proof read. Happy Holidays.
Raye- I just read your post again and it is so informative. Even though I’m not butch I personally can learn a LOT from your last paragraph.- “I have some advice for shy, guarded butchies…”- goes for shy, guarded femmes (like me) too. Keep us posted when you write your book.
Thank you Raye..yup its true
Jaz, I joined Google and tried to connect with you. Perhaps I’m just a cyber-dork, but it didn’t work. I couldn’t leave you a message. Maybe someday our paths will cross. The world is a wondrous place.
BraveButchBoi Thanks for trying. No worries I totally understand I’m part “cyber-dork” too.
Hope you’ll continue reading my poetry blog. Take great care of yourself and of all those around you.
Jaz
Thank you or the reminder that insecurity can fall on both spectrums of the butch-femme line.
Raye, I’m so glad to see you writing again. In a comment to WWG’s post, you wrote, “Even though I am not really comfortable being called a woman or girl, that is because I am butch. Not because I am a man. Butch is a gender. We are neither…In my mind butch is what I am. I don’t feel fully male nor do I feel fully female…I personally think that people like me are what angels are made of… neither male nor female.”
I find myself fascinated by and acutely aware of the butches around me, and wanting to understand them. You have offered some great insight as in your statement that butch is a gender (and I agree that y’all are what angels are made of : ) So, I’m very new to this and with all the talk of butches wanting high femmes, I’m a little intimidated about flirting with butches, being a femme tomboy myself. Any thoughts?
Excellent question Kenda! Raye I wonder this question too. I totally wonder this as look wise I’m “soft femme” (well there is “soft butch” so why not “soft femme”- smiles) When I’m in the shop blowing hot melted glass for art or assembeling my own shelves I always wonder if butchies can even notice me as being gay/femme. And then I remember I’m wearing 5 inch heels and figure maybe one day….
Femme tomboy – ooh that fits me!!!
Well there is such a thing as butch-on-butch and stud-for-stud ETC. At the end of the day, we’re still women (excepting those who identify their genders as “butch,” “femme,” “genderqueer,” or otherwise) so try not to read too into it. Actually, what I should say (but I’ll keep the previous sentence up) is that we’re still individuals with varying tastes. The person for you will love you even if you’re not what they’d originally thought as their type. Two examples on this very blog being: Sasha used to only date femmes, and Sasha’s blogged about the butch on butch love.
Honestly Kenda, my girlfriend switches from being rather tomboyish to being high femme depending upon her mood. I think when I say high femme, most of the femmes on here are picturing something different than what I am. Sarah used to be a butch when she was a teenager. Others have described her as a hard femme and that sounds perfect to me. She knows how to glam it up in heels and makeup but she is not afraid to get down & dirty with a wrench and a shovel. And I think that is super sexy. I think Jaz blowing glass and assembling shelves is pretty fucking hot too. High femme to me just means that you enjoy being girly. It doesn’t mean that you are high maintenance. Sarah is a whisky girl that likes her wifebeaters and beer with BBQ after riding on the back of my motorcycle with the wind fucking her hair up. She is the epitome of sexy to me.
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. This truly is the best place to go for insightful writers. Y’all rock!
Raye – “She (Sarah) is the epitome of sexy to me.”- That is too sweet. Pleeeeeease write a post on how the Sarah/Raye love story all started- of u guys are comfortable w that of course. I’m a totally a complete hopeless romantic. (sigh)
*blush* aw shucks! thanks, hun.
like butches who give off this dominant/masculine energy. femmes give off this (duh!) feminine energy. like some butches some of us wear it on the outside as well. i am soo very femme. meaning i love getting dressed up to my idea of sexy. heels, dresses, show off the girls, and make-up! my butch dresses to her idea of sexy. men’s jeans, nice boots, and a button down shirt, hair gelled.
now being a femme flirting with a butch. hmm..let me hop in my time machine to my dating experiences. you have to catch a butch looking at you. if you’re too shy to make the first move…that butch sitting in the corner watching you from across the bar. THAT WAS HER FIRST MOVE!! it’s a hard to catch it. and if she’s that confident she’ll hold a stare..maybe a little smile. that’s YOUR invite. she did her part. she got courage to even look at you long enough for you to notice. hello HOTNESS! butches are more subtle than us femmes. well…the good ones. the hot old school type ones. i don’t know what these silly baby bois are doing now a days.
i was playing pool with a friend of mine. and this boi just ran up to the table (wasted) and told me. not ask. told me she got next game and winked at me. wtf? she didn’t even use community pool table etiquette and put her quarters on the table. nor did she ask my friend if she could jump in our game. the fact that this baby boi (not a butch, in my opinion.) was wasted is unattractive, itself. femme wants to know that she can go out with her butch and be taken care of. femme is comforted knowing that her butch is always aware of her surroundings. femme thinks it’s quite sexy, really. femme loves having a butch who is respectful to not only the femme she’s got her eye on, but to those femme is with.
it’s like i tell raye. “that stone butch sitting in the corner at the bar. the one lookin’ me up and down. SHE makes my legs quiver.” that’s the one i’ll go talk to.
there is a sexy secret communication between a butch and a femme.
Sarah- So cute is that how u and Raye met-love it. Wish you all much happiness. Jaz
Jaz- we actually did not meet in a bar
http://totallesbian.blogspot.com/
soooooooo true
Sarah
” Jaz- we actually did not meet in a bar. ” You had me sucked ito your story. ( Hehe) Too funny
well ALL that matters is that you 2 DID meet.
Raye, I have read all of your posts before, but I find myself going through them again this week. I feel like I have gotten to know you a little better through our new found “friendship” this past week lol. I love your style of writing, and this story hits home to me. I consider myself VERY femme..love my heels, skirts, dresses, make up, hair and nails to the nine etc., but I also have no problem getting dirty or enjoying a day in jeans, t-shirt, and flip flops!! (I am a mother to boys after all!) I also have no problem letting a sexy butch know that I think she is sexy!! I can appreciate a hot femme with a great body, but that isn’t what “does” it for me!! I like someone who has the soft heart/compassion of a woman, but that wonderful butch swagger and way about her. I LOVE the short, spiky hair, button down shirts, and the confidence that a strong butch has about them. I don’t always wait for my “cue” from someone that I find attractive; I won’t stand around and wait to see if they notice me..if I notice you and like what I see, then you ARE most certainly going to know it. Most femmes in my opinion, don’t play when it comes to flirting with a butch. If they have the confidence to go up to a butch and start a conversation (aka flirting), then our intentions are good and pure!! We are just vying for your attention, and those are most definitely looks of loving adoration!! How could we not adore everything you are? Have you looked in the mirror lately?! Lol!! Anyhow, just had to get my 2 cents in on this matter!
Wow! Great post – I know I’m a bit late into the conversation but I’ve only just found this blog. Amazing insight, thanks Raye. From the comments, I’d have to say I’m a hard femme and I too go weak at the knees with one look from my old school butch. Before her I’d only ever known baby butches – they had the look down but not the attitude. I now know what I was missing and never want to miss it again! That rawness, confidence (dare I say arrogance?), fuck-the-world attitude really gets me going. And the sexual dominance – anywhere, anytime, whatever – yes please! Just take me!
I love reading about all the classifications, I’m from Australia and we don’t really go into it as much, so hearing about how you experience it facilitates my understanding and gives me ideas on what to do to my butch. I wanna know more!!
Wow. This blog has now moved into 1st place, in the long list I read daily.
It absolutely gave me more insight to my partner JJ.
Thank you!
i have spent years trying to understand my wife. she is the definition of butch. but until i read this post, nothing came close to shedding any light. Thank you so much! and please, keep posting!
Sincerely,
Mrs. Castro-Gonzalez