OK, apparently I offended my bi-sexual readers with my last post about Bi-Sexual Lesbians. That was not my intention. Especially since when I wrote it, I was talking about myself.
Gasp!!!!! What??!!!!! No, not Sasha!!!!
Well yes, it’s true and if you’ve been a faithful reader you already know that I’ve had boyfriends in the past and before I came to the realization that I was indeed, a full fledged lesbian, I identified as bi for a little bit. Even now, there are days that the thought of sex with a man doesn’t exactly turn my stomach. Sex is sex. To me, being a lesbian is about wanting to share my life with a woman. To be in a relationship with a woman and yes, to make love to a woman. But “fucking” is another story.
I am one of those people that can have sex without a single emotional attachment. Especially with men. It wasn’t until I was with a woman, that I finally heard all the heavenly choirs rejoice, gray skies turned blue, the birds sang and I understood the all too sappy term, “making love.”
So does the fact that once in a while, the thought of having sex with an attractive man crosses my mind, make me bi-sexual?? I don’t think so. If I acted on it, then maybe.
But the truth is that I live my life as a self-identified lesbian …… with the occasional bi-sexual tendency thrown in just to irritate my girlfriend. (Just kidding about that last part, I can’t help it! Just like I don’t think any of you can help it.) The occasional fleeting thought that brings a wicked little smirk to my face does not a full time bi-girl make. Admitting it openly on my blog however, does make me braver then most lesbians I know who hide and lie about the fact that they still occasionally date men on the side.
Who cares? I don’t.
The “Bi-Sexual Lesbian” post was actually a re-posting from about two years ago. I wrote it when I was hanging out with a group of lesbians that constantly accused me of being bi-sexual because I didn’t seem “gay enough”. Only to find out later that three of them had slept with and DATED men more recently then I had, but lied their asses off about it!
Which brings me to another point of random thought, but I thought I’d bring it up anyway. I know a few girls that claim to be “Gold Star” lesbians, whooopydooo. I’m happy for you. But that doesn’t make you gayer then me or any other lesbian that’s been with men. It makes you lucky that you figured it out sooner. I have slept with more women then men. A lot more. I was rather prudish with my male suitors but let my freak flag fly once I started dating women. I have also dated women for almost twice as long as I dated men. Don’t I get something for that? Like a bronze or silver star?
Another slightly random point that I can’t find any easy way to bring up is the whole bipolar thingy. What does bipolar disorder have to do with being bi-sexual, you may be asking yourself? Well I’m not sure and neither are the experts. But in a lot of research I’ve read about the disorder, there is a very good chance that people with bi-polar will at some point identify as bi-sexual. Could it have to do with the extreme emotional states, swinging wildly from one end of the spectrum to other? Maybe. Perhaps some of those same chemicals that affect the brain and moods, affect what or who you’re attracted to on any given day? Huh ….. who knows for sure.
But that doesn’t sound too far fetched to me. When a woman nurses her baby or makes love her brain produces a neurotransmitter called oxytocin, known as the love hormone. It’s what makes her bond to her baby or her lover, among other things.
Bipolar disorder has to do with neurotransmitters noradrenaline,serotonin and dopamine. Not to get into a medical debate over the causes of bipolar disorder but just to point out that if chemicals in the brain can affect your moods, your bonding, your feelings of love …. then it may be possible to also affect who you are attracted to, especially in those already susceptible to chemical imbalances in the brain. I’m just sayin’ ……
They always say to write what you know and I happen to know (from personal experience) that bi girls are not easily welcomed into lesbian circles and I stand by my previous statement that there are good and valid reasons for this.
I actually have experience from both sides of this. Like I said, I identified as bi for a short period. During which time I was literally shunned by gay women for that very reason and they weren’t shy in telling me so. Then later, I dated and fell for two different bi-girls and found out first hand what was once said about me was sad but true, “Bi-girls are too much trouble.” One of them broke my heart and the other cheated on me with her ex-boyfriend and then MY ex-boyfriend. Good times.
So there you have it. I have had nothing but negative experiences either as identifying as bi, personally. Or later, dating bi-girls.
So to sum things up. I didn’t mean to hurt any of my readers. If you re-read that post you’ll see that I was making generalizations about what I have personally experienced as well as what I hear from other women in our community. But I also very specifically pointed out that there are always “exceptions to the rule.” Maybe you’re one of them? If you are, then good luck because I don’t think you have a particularly easy road ahead of you.
Old related posts … sorta’
Bi-Polar Lesbians Always Take The Rap
In Defense of my Gayness … Again
Musings on Lesbian Promiscuity
I have no problems with girls that are bi. I have a kid so many people think I am also. I am not and no that is not denial. I was in a really bad situation and hated the sex with that guy same as it grosses me out to this day the idea. I just don’t like men that way. But for anyone else that is bi, I see nothing wrong with that. I agree, I get leary when dating a bi girl. I worry not only do I have other girls to worry about but now men too. But to say they are less then any other lesbian, no I don’t think that.
I actually wanted to thank you for the last bisexual lesbian post. It just verbalized what I’ve often thought a lot about and I totally related to you exactly. It was wierd to have a closet on both sides of the fence.
I’ll totally admit, I was and still am to a certain degree a total hypocrite about bisexual women–even when I was one! I wouldn’t date a girl who was like me. Not because I believed/knew that *I* would run back to a man, because I thought I was different than most bi girls who made out for show or did it just to tell thier boyfriends stories about how hot it is. But I did think that most girls who told me they were bi, especially super femme ones, would totally hurt me so as soon as I found out, I’d stop calling. it’s messed up, I know.
And whenever I dated a girl, I never admitted to being bi. I would *always* lie and say lesbian—I still do, but now it’s not a lie. Bi was my gateway that I lingered in for years. I played the pronoun game *a lot* (ex/ always said “my ex” or “a person” or “they” or “someone” never she/he/him/her)
I even told my girl that I lied to her for a reason when I met her. I admitted to my lie as soon as I knew there was no danger of her getting the wrong impression about me, though. I explained to her that if I had told her that I was Bi and had recently left a man when we met, she would’ve looked at me differntly.
Luckily, she’s honest and even if she didn’t want to admit to that, she did, cuz it’s true; she would have—although, she agrees that I’m totally gay and have just been confused for a long while
I understand and agree with the bi stigma. There are too many “bi” girls out there just looking for an experience and it sucks to feel like a toy, no matter how hot they are, because many of us have a hard time having sex with a woman sans emotions. With a man, it was never an issue. Horny is as horny does.
I am very turned off by men, especially now that I’ve met a girl that I’m crazy about, but does that mean that if some johnny depp looking guy comes to hit on me that I’m going to be disgusted and annoyed and totally turn him down? If I’m still with this girl, the answer is *yes* absoltutely. If not….Maybe I’d give into a fling, but I could never *be* with him.
Does that make me bi? I wouldn’t go looking for him. In fact, I avoid straight venues for the specific reason that I don’t want to be hit on by men because it is incredibly irritating. However, my original philosophy, my mantra, when I was bi was that it’s not about the sex; It’s about the person. It just happens to be the case for me that the people I like most are women and sex is 99.9999% of the time better with a woman. Truth.
Basically, I think you’re right on about this—maybe it’s not for true for everyone, but nothing applies to everyone.
Thanks for giving this some time because it’s a wierd phenomonon for a community that are themselves subject to the same kind of exclusion in the larger society and that are so otherwise open and accepting to kind of act so hypocritically, even though I get it….or so goes my naive impression.
When I identified myself as bi for a few years, I never once had to defend my gayness to a single lesbian.
No, I had to defend myself against straight men and other bisexual women.
All the straight women I have come out to in my life pretty much responded with, “Yeah, duh, I already figured that out, glad you finally did.”
With the other bi girls, it was more just their way of ostracizing me from their catty little clique.
With the guys, either I was just pathetic and looking for attention, or I was pathetic and confused, or I was pathetic and had a chip on my shoulder – you know, because in their minds, I just hadn’t met the right man yet.
The worst was when I finally met a girl I was ready for, and a guy I thought was a good friend became jealous and showed his true colors. He was just waiting out the end of one of my other failed relationships and felt like he had called dibs to be the next in line. He didn’t take it well at all when he was told there was no seat for him left on the bus.
Thanks for both recent posts on this topic!! We lesbians tend to be so weirdly closeted and downright mean to each other about such things.
On that note, I want to throw in my two cents on the whole bisexual/bipolar topic. My partner and I have been round and round about bisexuality a lot lately – I only recently admitted that I still find guys attractive and that I think about having sex with guys from time to time…this after only being with women for 12+ years, self-identifying as a lesbian for that time, and being pretty damn monogamous with my respective girlfriends/partners (and I still choose to identify as lesbian, for many of the reasons you cited…who cares if we happen to fall not completely 100% on the “gold-star” fucking end of the Kinsey Scale? How many lesbians actually do??). My partner initially took issue with it, saying she signed up to be with a lesbian, not a bi chick. After many discussions similar to what you’ve so honestly put out there for your readers, she gets where I’m coming from (she also admitted to thinking about sex with guys often while she was pregnant…so indeed, brain chemistry and hormones are related to sexual desire, go figure!).
On the bipolar note, my thoughts about sex with guys ramp up significantly when I’m swinging into a fierce mania….I think it’s related to the hypersexuality part of bipolar disorder (if you are ignorant about bipolar, please google this to see that it is one of the most common symptoms of bipolar before any of you jump on me saying I’m a just a slutty bisexual chick using bipolar as an “excuse”! The ignorant folk who left such comments for Sasha in the past do not realize the potentially dangerous impact of their hateful comments.)
Anyway, it’s just an interesting link and I love the fact that I’m not the only lesbian (bipolar lesbian no less) who thinks and feels these things – nice to know I’m not alone!
See, I didn’t comment on the first blog because I had a feeling you were speaking about yourself. Sexuality is a spectrum. It is not black and white. Just because you can experience sexual feelings about a man no more makes you bi or straight than does it make a straight man bi or gay to secretly have had sexual thoughts about his best male buddy. How you define your sexual orientation is less about who you fuck and more about who you love. A straight woman can love her husband but want to know what it would be like to be fucked by a lesbian friend of hers…. that does not make her gay nor does it make her bi. It makes her human.
reading this post makes me wonder if i’m a late in life maybe bi? or maybe a lesbian *gasp*
in my early 20′s i had 5 gay roomates~all male~ i was their *drag slave* and helped them *be real women* on stage~while at the gay bars, i often had women hit on me~and the guys were quick to tell the boi i was *straight but not narrow*
in my late 30′s and throughout my 40′s i was with women~but only when my male lover wanted a three way
now at 52, this post makes me go hmmm???
i wonder if it’s something i should explore {my husband died in 2006 of suicide after a long illness}
i have always tended to be interested in less than the average *manly man* and very attracted to feminine males~
{and i grew up and now live in a very small southern town}
this post has really given me something to ponder! LOL
i’ll let you know what happens……
YOU ARE SO RIGHT RAYE…..( And I really enjoyed your post)
Man, I have a boyfriend… But I’m soooo interested in this girl… Actually GIRLS are hott…….
And I just think it has a lot to do with communication, and being respectful and monogamous with whoever you are with….. I’m not into hurting people….. Not my thing….
HEY SASHA!
hey hey REMI
I liked reading this. I’m loving the way you write.
It was genuinely insightful.
I’m looking forward to reading more.
Just be sure that the girl you finally want to be with is NOT “experimenting”. Because trust me that REALLY sucks when you ARE not “experimenting” – when you know you have genuine feelings for women MUCH stronger than feelings for men -but the one who you finally express that with is ONLY “experimenting”.
To clarify- feelings ONLY for women is what I personally meant by “much stronger than feelings for men”. The girl I was very interested in turned out to be into BOTH me and the guy she was secretely dating.
It the first time I post a comment. First of all I need to explain you Im actually 20 I did my coming out like a bi two year ago but I define myself like lesbian now, . I could have no problem to have sex with a man but love him I can’t. I want to be with a girl is as simple as that. I may made this choice (not to be lesbian but to go forward girl) because I dont trust man … .
The another thing is I cant touch a woman if im not in love she can fuck me but me …
Even if Im always wondering if im bi or lesbian I prefere say Im lesbian for all the reason you exposed.
Anyway thanks and sorry for mistakes Im fench ..