
So a lot of times I’ll have blogs stem from comments that readers leave. This is one of those times. I have mentioned bipolar a couple times before, like in this blog titled, Bipolar Lesbians Always Take the Rap. Yet for some reason no body jumped down my throat then about the term bipolar, or jumped to any conclusions. But for some reason, yesterday’s blog was different.
A few people asked if I had bipolar disorder. A few people “accused” me of it. But thankfully, a few of you also defended my right to keep information like that a private matter. I have struggled with the decision to write about this many times before. My girlfriend doesn’t think I should, she’s worried about me, about what people might say. I too have pondered the consequences of publicly admitting something like this. Since there are so many possible reactions from people. So in the long run, I’ve always had more reasons not to write about it.
I guess you’ve figured it out by now. Yes, it’s true. I have bipolar disorder. I was diagnosed with it long before it was the trendy mental illness to have. About 13 years ago or so. I have been on everything from lithium to welbutrin and back again. I’ve done the alternative health care approach, the holistic path, the spiritual path and the hopeless path. I’ve done everything that everyone has suggested, twice.
One of the reasons I haven’t blogged about it directly, before now is that I didn’t want my blog to be a downer. When you read my blog, I like to think it makes you smile once in a while. But there’s not much entertainment to be found in a chick with suicidal tendencies.
Another reason I haven’t written about this until now is that I never wanted anyone to think I was using it as an excuse for anything. As one thoughtful commenter already made that leap between bipolarity and “outrageous behavior.” I however try not to use my disease as an alibi, an excuse or a get out of jail free card when I do something stupid. It is however part of the reason behind some things. I would be lying if I said it didn’t play a roll some times. But not in the way you think.
For me, my battle with this particular demon usually leads me down very dark alleyways … alone. I’m not one to act out too much or take things out on others. I tend to turn everything inward. So when signs of bipolar rear it’s ugly head, I’m most likely to go into hiding. Not to Girl Bar. Most of my crazy, fun filled nights I’ve blogged about were just me on a normal night.
The times I’m feeling out of control, manic or depressed (which unfortunately in the last few years is most of the time), those are the times you don’t hear from me.
I’ve decided to out myself on here because a few people asked about it. I don’t mind talking about it. If anyone else has any questions about this topic please feel free to ask. I’m not a doctor, but I’ve been through the gauntlet and back again. I’m more then happy to share my experience with anyone who thinks that they or their loved one may be going through something similar.
I guess this could be a good thing …. my admitting this. It’s sort of freeing in a scary, jump of a cliff way and see if there’s water below or not, sort of way. I think that most of my readers are mature enough not to judge me too harshly for this. Since it’s not anything I can help. I have this thing, it’s a disease and it’s almost killed me several times and to be honest, I think it’s what will kill me … someday.
But until then, I believe that most people, lesbians in particular are more understanding than we think. Most of us have been through a lot of crap in our lives and that makes us more accepting of others and their struggles.
So in a leap of faith, I’m coming out … again … this time as a person who struggles with bipolar disorder. This is me. Take it or leave it.
You’re incredibly strong and unyielding…and I’ll take you exactly as you are.
Thank you Maggie. You mean the world to me and your opinion is one of the very few I actually hold in high esteem.
I <3 Maggie
Trust me when I say we ALL have our ‘baggage’. Also, we are not our ‘story’. Party on.
I dated “Sasha” for a little bit a few years back and I’ve commented on her blog a few times. I’ve even been downright bitchy towards her and I think she deserved it. I have to comment today because even tho I knew she was bipolar it never really got in the way of our relationship. Except that she used it as an excuse to push me away. It wasn’t any bipolar behavor that shoved me away. It was just her. I think she uses it has an excuse to keep people at a distance which she does like a pro.
From when I knew her it only affected her in ways that made her really hard to get to go out with my friends and stuff. She’s more of a homebody or used to be. It seems like she and Remi do a lot of stuff now so I don’t know maybe she’s on medication now.
Whatever. What I meant to say is goodluck. I know we had our differences but I wouldn’t want to see you dead from this thing.
I dated a girl that was bipolar for 8 years. She was the love of my life. She was on every medication and nothing worked. It would for a while and then they would stop working or she would go off her meds without telling anyone.
A year ago she killed herself and I found her when I came home from work. Sometimes I think she killed the part of me that can love anyone ever again.
I’m so sorry for you and for Remi. This isn’t easy and it’s harder then anyone who hasn’t been there can ever know.
I’ve read your blog forever. I suspected something was wrong with you from the way you behave sometimes. I’m a psych major and I would have guessed borderline personality or something but this makes sense too.
What medication are you currently on?
Sasha, I dated you for a little bit back in the day and you seemed like the most sane girl I ever knew. Until you dropped off my radar and I never heard from you again. I always thought it was something I said. Now I’m going to tell myself that you were going through something and not take it so personally. You could have told me, I wouldn’t have judged you.
I think you’re a spoiled brat that’s used to treating people like shit because you’re beautiful and you think that people will keep letting you walk all over them for it. You propably just using this as en excuse for when you go to far with the wrong person.
I’m bipolar too. Thanks for coming out publicly. There seems to be such a stigma attached, I give you credit for saying it.
I have to admit I don’t read your blog often(not that I don’t love it) and I’ve never commented here before but I’m very active in the mad pride community and I think it’s important people are public with it if they can be. It helps get rid of stigma and makes other people with mental illnessess feel less alone.
I wanted to support you in coming out publicly.
My brother was a manic depressive. He was a genius and a great artist. He died at the age of 32 earlier this year at his own hand. This is a terrible thing you’re dealing with and I’m sorry. But if you’re anything like my brother, you don’t want to hear that. Thats probably why you never wrote about it before, you don’t want anyone’s sympathy. I get that. This is more for other people that might want to leave a stupid comment. Don’t. It just shows your ignorance about a very serious disease that unfortunately, until medicine gets better is 60% fatal due to suicide.
I wanted to say that I’m bipolar too. It’s really hard. Thank you for not caring what others might think and coming out and saying you have it too. It means a lot to know that someone like you, who seems to have a lot going for herself, you’re pretty, smart, in a relationship etc. that someone like that has this thing too. It makes me not feel so isolated somehow.
Hey sasha,
I dated a girl for a year and a half who was bi-polar and honestly most of the time it was hell. I really don’t think it was the bi-polar that was the problem though. She never believed she had a problem and therefore would never go to the doctor for it or even try any meds. she took most of her bad moods out on me and I had to stop her from hurting herself almost every night. I commend you for dealing so well with this.
Sasha – thank you for contributing to the work to decrease the stigma of mental illness. I, like so many others out there thought that mental illness was only for the “crazy”…until my father died by his own hand seven years ago. My life changed from that point onward.
You seem to be living your life to the fullest and addressing how bipolar affects your life. Go, Sasha!
Dear Shasha,
I applaud your decision to share something so personal with the online world, you have great courage!
I dated a women for 2.5 years who also suffered from bipolar disorder and it was an eye opening experience. I’m a “fix-it” personality and it frustrated me to no end, that I couldn’t fix that part of her — but I loved her unconditionally.
I can only hope that Remi will do the same for you because despite this small part of you, it is not ALL of you.
Best wishes,
LB_Boi
Hi Sasha,
I wanted to say thank you for being brave enough to come out like you did about this debilitating disease. I think a lot of people over use the term “bipolar” to the point that people don’t realize how devastating this really is. I cried reading some of the comments left because I feel the same pain as some of your readers who lost loved ones to this.
My sister was also my best friend. She suffered from bipolar disease from the age of 17 to 30. Medication only seemed to make it worse. (not saying not to take your meds, if they work for you, by God please don’t stop) but they didn’t work for her. I guess the pain of everything was finally too much and she committed suicide.
The wake of detestation she left behind is still unhealed and raw. I think about her every day, almost every hour some days.
I’m not mad at her. She used to tell me that if I really loved her, I wouldn’t want her to be tormented so much. I did really love her and all I can do is pray that she’s at peace now.
Good luck to you and Remi. I think maybe Remi should look into support groups for people who love bipolar people. This will be one of the hardest things she’ll ever deal with. But if she loves you, she’ll be ok.
I know you said you didn’t want your blog to be a downer, but life has it’s ups and downs and I think it would help some of your readers, like your younger more impressionable ones to know that you go through tough shit too. Maybe you were meant to write about this subject to help even just one young lesbian going through this too.
I have to add my voice to this topic and say that I lost my mother to this disease 9 years ago. She killed herself after going off her meds one too many times.
It’s hereditary and I’m afraid my brother has it but he won’t seek treatment.
Good luck Sasha
My wife was also bipolar. She used to be an artist and a writer. But the disease got so bad that she couldn’t even be herself anymore. She stopped writing, stopped painting, stopped living. I tried to get her into a hospital but she wouldn’t go. She couldn’t work anymore so I took care of her and I didn’t mind at all. I was more then happy to be able to provide for her and take care of her. I loved it.
But to her, it just made one more reason in her messed up way of thinking that made her feel worthless.
I came home one night and she was gone. The police called me two days later when they found her in a motel room. She took her own life and all she left was a letter to me. Apologizing for being such a burden!
A burden!! She was my life. Maybe I was the one with the paycheck but she never knew how much she did for me. Just being there every night when I got home. Knowing I had the love of such a beautiful woman was more then I had ever hoped for. She loved me for me. Now she’s gone and I dont think I will ever be in love again.
Bipolar stole my life from me. It took my wife away. I’m not mad at her. I’m mad at myself and at the disease. I wish I had told her somehow how much she was not ever a burden. Not even for a second. I can hardly live with myself knowing that she thought she was a burden to me.
I don’t know why I’m writing all of this on your blog. I’m sorry. But I’m so glad you brought this out in the open. Maybe one girl will read this and not do something she can’t take back.
I’m so sorry to hear this. I have never posted, but I love your blog. On my blog roll of many lesbian blogs, yours is up there in my favourites – it’s the first one I look at whenever I need a reading fix. I commend you on the way you’ve dealt with your disease. I hope your relationship with Remi continues to propser.
I’ve read your blog forever it seems. I never would have guessed someone like you would be dealing with such a serious issue. Your life always seemed like one romantic adventure or mishap after another. To be honest, I’ve felt jealous of you, I’ve seen your pictures and you’re beautiful. I guess no one has it easy. You may have been blessed physically but what you have to deal with with this makes your beauty seem tragic.
I am also bipolar. I’ve attempted suicide 2x. Been in and out of the hospital. I was wondering how you do it? Can I ask what meds you’re on? You don’t have to answer publicly, maybe email me? I just don’t know what to do at this point.
Thank you.
“sasha” I dated you for a while and you were the most difficult woman I have ever known. I don’t know how Remi puts up with you. You’re a fuckin’ hot lay, I’ll give you that, but in the end, i have to be drama free which meant Sasha free.
If you really are bipolar i believe it. You’re still not worth the trouble.
Thank you for sharing.
I was happy to read many nice comments, and disgusted with those readers who decided to still try to bash you, Sasha.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. This woman just did something so brave, so courageous. She decided to share something so private and personal, and she trusted all of her readers with it. For you to use her illness to bash her is pathetic. How about this…if you don’t like Sasha, stay off her fucking blog!!
Sasha…you rock! Keep being who you are.
Congratulations on freeing yourself Sasha. Announcing you are bipolar was a difficult decision; please know there are many who will support you even though there are others that will try to break you down. I have chronic depression and struggle in life and relationships, but believe if you work hard and surround yourself with people you can trust you can get through it. Mental illness is quite common and I do wish this negative stigma would go away. I wish you luck and love in dealing with bipolar disorder.
Thank you so much for coming out with this and admitting that you have bipolar disorder. There’s too much stigma attached to this disease and people don’t really know what it is. I hate when people call it a mental illness. If it has a biological cause how can it be pigeon holed as a “mental illness” as if it’s all in your mind? It’s not and it’s not a personality disorder either. It’s a chemical imbalance in your brain. Nothing more nothing less.
If you had cancer or lupus or something like that people wouldn’t hold it against you. yet they do if they find out you’re bipolar. Stupid on their part.
Bipolar disorder is a chemical imbalance in the brain which means it has a biological cause.
Congratulations to you for having the balls to say it out loud.
I’m not a lesbian but my sister is. My sister is also bipolar and she was diagnosed after the first time she slit her wrists. She’s had a problem with self-injury since high school and she’s attempted suicide several times now. I know in my heart that one day she’ll succeed. It kills me I can’t fix her. She’s my little sis and I’m suppossed to be able to take care of her. I know she reads your blog and she’ll read this. I just hope that she finds some support in reading your writing and the comments that others have left.
I wonder how Remi puts up with you? I think that you and anybody else that claims to have this is full of shit and you’re trying to get out of taking responsibilty for yourself. Iv’e read your blog and I see how you like to be taken care of by butch women. maybe there are butches out there that happily pay a femme’s way in this world. but there’s one born every second.
i think you need to grow up and get a life.m
In response to Rj’s tasteless comment: You’re a fucking dill hole and should shut the hell up. Unless you have ever loved someone with this disease (and it’s nothing less then a life threatening disease) you have no room to speak in this forum except to show support.
The love of my life was bipolar and she lost her battle with this disease 7 years ago. She was the strongest woman I will ever knew but she cried herself to sleep most nights. All I could do was hold her and tell her i loved her, but in the end it wasn’t enough.
Sasha is dealing with something intensely personal and difficult and for a shit head like you to come and comment on her page like this is disgusting. The fact that she left your comment up goes to show her journalistic ethics and how she holds to her no censorship rule. If it were up to me, I wouldn’t let ass wipes like you comment on here and hurt Sasha and anyone else with this.
Every night when I close my eyes I see my wife. There’s nothing I can do to bring her back but if you weren’t such a coward hiding behind anonymity I would kick your ass for my wife and for Sasha’s sake.
P.S. anyone reading RJ’s comment don’t mistake her for a butch. A real butch would love to take care of a beautiful woman. Period.
I have it too. I too think it will kill me at some point. I’m afraid it gets in the way of ever being loved.
Good luck and hang in there. After reading the post and the comments I’m upset at those who criticized and put you down – being bipolar is enough to deal with without being ripped on for it. I think you’re brave for putting this out in the open and I admire you for it. Don’t give up.
Hi. I’ve never read your blog before. I actually came across it as I did a search for liveing with bipolar in a lesbian relationship, so I felt I had to comment.
I’m 34, and I’ve been in my current relationship for about 2 1/2 years now. Funny how that’s cinsidered long for both lesbians and people with bipolar disorder.
In my early 20s I was having a lot of mood problems, with lots of depression. I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder and GAD (generalized anxiety disorder). I began my regimine of meds at that time. I saw several different psychiatrista and therapists, and can’t even remember all the diff meds I was on. Nothing really seemed to help, not for long anyway. I had attempted suicide a few times and was hospitalized a few as well. One time I almost succeded. My sister found me with no pulse or breath, the EMTs got me back but lost me again in the ambulance, but were able to bring me back again. That was a rough time.
Finally when I was 31,things just seemed to get worse fast. I couldn’t even function anymore. I was unable to work and I became disabled. That made things even harder on me mentally as I had never not supported myself. I felt week, worthless, and ashamed of myself.
Befoer trying to give up once more, I went to see yet another psychiatrist. When I came to him I was on 3 diff antidepressants and also an anti anxiety med. I wasn’t in a good place. He was diff. He didn’t just go by what the previous Drs had said. He did a bunch of tests, and although my symptoms didn’t manifest in the typical way of most Bipolar individuals, he did diagnose me as Bipolar. In fact, because I had been on so many anti depressants for so long, it had aggraveted my disease. I had Rapid Cycling Bipolar disorder. We tried diff things over the next year, adn finally settled on a combination of Lithium, Tegretol, and Xanex.
I actually started to feel better. I was in a relationship with an amazing woman who was really there for me, adn supportive of my illness. Sadly, at this point in time, I no longer have insurance. I haven’t been on any meds for a while now. It is really starting to take its toll on me and every aspect of my life.
My relationship has it’s ups and downs like what I had read you had in yours. For example, how since she is the one to actually go off to a job, and I stay home, the cooking and most of the cleaning, and basicly all the normal duties of running a house I feel should be my own. The hard part is, sometimes, especially without any meds or therapy, I go into a very dark place sometimes. When I was younger, it would always be the depressive side I would go to. I still do that as well, however it seems the older I get, I’m starting to go more to the manic side of my disease. For me, that is the extreme anger and irrational irritation.
When I get into these states, I just don’t feel I can do anything here around the house, and then that makes me feel worth;ess and then those feelings turn to anger because I want so desperately to control my emotions. It is a very hard disease to live with.
I too feel like my disease is what will eventually end my life, and that does scare me. I don’t want to hurt my loved ones, but when I get in that state of mind, I actually think that I would be doing them a favor so that I won’t burden them anymore. Rational thought is dang near impossible in the worst moments of this disease.
When I read your blog, and when I read what others had to say, it makes me feel not so alone. In that, it gives me hope. When I read what others have written about those they have lost to this disease and the pain it has caused them, it makes me realize how much I don’t want to hurt the ones I love.
Thank you. For even in this briefist of moments, it takes the thoughts of self harm from my mind. I don’t know how long I can hold on to that, but when this disease has such a hold on you, even a few minutes of peace are a welcome gift. I applaude you for your honesty about your situation, and to all those who have written about theirs as well.
For all the nay sayers, the ones who don’t believe in this disease, for those that don’t understand the absolute depths of hell this disease takes you to, one that you can’t control on your own, I will pray fro you. I am so saddened by the fact that you don’t realize the harm you do to those of us out here who suffer with this. You’re words can cause some, who only need the slightest push, to go over the edge. I pray God will have mercy on you and that you may never have to feel the pain this disease inflicts on those who have it and the people that love them.
Hi again.
I just wanted to say that I’m sorry about all of the errors with spelling, punctuation, and grammar in my last response. It’s late and I did not proof read bfore I sent it. Hopefully, you get the point of what I was saying. Thank you.
This is just another thing that makes you perfect for someone like me, I want to and know how to handle you and make you feel like everythings going to be alright. I can be your medicine.
I came online tonight trying to google the words “lesbian” and “bipolar disorder” because I’m a lesbian with bipolar disorder , I wanted to see if there was anyone else out there like me struggling with it and this site popped up. So kudos to you for being so strong and coming out twice! This is my first time on this site and i hope to see more blogs on this topic or similar to this topic. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only lesbian out there with bipolar disorder. I feel like I’ve been hit twice and I’m constantly fighting to live a “normal’ life.
Hey Sasha,
you know what, Anyone who says that you are using Bipolar Disorder as an excuse has some serious mental issues to deal with on their own! Perhaps they have a disorder which they are struggling with and (like morons) are refusing to get treatment! STUPID!
I know because that’s how I used to act before I started treating my ADD. Speaking of ADD, adderall, which is a stimulant and an off-label use for anti-depressant when other antidepressants don’t work. I’ve also read a lot of information on Adderall that shows sometimes Bipolar people also have ADD (the inattentive type doesn’t make you hyper, which is what I have, and it tends to make you really creative. Massive intelligence which I see in your blog can sometimes mask the presence of Inattentive ADD. You might want to consider looking into it, especially for the antidepressant effects of Adderall). As for lithium, it has been used in conjunction with that to offset the tiredness created by it. And the best part is (unlike wellbutrin which seems to do NOTHING for severe depression, at least for me) Adderall works immediately so you’ll know within the first few days whether it is right for you. I wish you luck, and please don’t kill yourself! Go get addicted to heroin or something–anything but that! My ex committed suicide and I am still devastated. We weren’t even that close or together for that long, but you have no idea how many lives suicide devastates until you’re dead and unable to see!
Let me tell you though–Adderall has changed my life–I am able to get out of bed in the morning and do laundry, two things that seemed like lifting boulders in the past! It is great for depression even if you don’t have ADD.
Hang in there, and you are totally worth being in a relationship! Some of the most interesting and wonderful people I’ve been friends with have had bipolar disorder.
Congrats on coming out and saying it–I know it’s hard to just keep on going every day with ADD and depression, so I can’t imagine what having a more severe disorder would be like.
You are brave and strong. Keep up the good work! And as for the people who had sex with you and are saying you’re “not worth the drama” they’re just pissed cuz they aren’t having sex with you anymore obviously! Losers!
Hi Sasha,
Thanks so much for your courage in talking about this. I absolutely love your blog. I’m writing because I was just diagnosed with bipolar II yesterday, after about 5 years of getting therapy for depression that just wouldn’t let up. It was sort of a shock and sort of not. I’m not so worried about the stigma of the disease, I’ve always tried to openly challenge stigma and I think as gay people most of us are used to being judged.
But I am really worried, and sad, about what medicating myself will mean. I’m an extremely creative person, and I’m scared to lose that. Looking back at the times I’ve been most creative in my life, I think i was probably in some sort of hypomanic episode. Do you find that you are less creative, overall, when you are on medication? Do you know of any good resources, websites, etc, for creative types with bipolar disorder?
Thanks so much! Hope you’re having a great day.
Hello Sasha,
A week ago I ended a relationship with my ex gf. Four days later I found out she was already in another relationship. Nonetheless, being bipolar and suicide runs in her family. I didnt know. I sensed there was something wrong with her but it wasnt until this last episode that she is going through still that I realized that she was Bipolar. I asked her sister and yeah… her sister told me it ran in her family and that she most likely was bipolar. I ended up leaving her because I didnt feel like I was in a relationship anymore plus her best friend was also trying to break us up because she has always been in love with my ex. My ex and the best friend are now in a relationship… Four days after me and my ex broke up. I probably should have mentioned that I have only had two girlfriends in my life and they have both been bipolar. What are the odds? Its not like I go looking for those qualities. I was wondering if you knew of any good books or any good resources for those who have been in relationships with lesbians who are bipolar. I definitely see a pattern with both of their behavior. Its hard being with someone who is bipolar…. and because of what I went through with my first I was a little more careful with my most recent ex gf. It is very painful. I love her soo much… Its hard for me to comprehend how someone can love you so much and then four days later be with someone else. Im rambling on. If anybody has any good resources regarding bipolar lesbian relationships be it books, websites, etc please send them my way.
Thanks!
Wow, the absolute courage it took for you to admit this is stunning. I, for one, appreciate it. I’ve been going back and reading a lot of your entries and I’m blown away by how many people attack you consistently (or try to claim you for their own). I don’t know you in person, and while I find a lot of those comments rude and immature, they’re mostly easily ignored. However, to attack someone on the basis of an incurable and deadly disease? That’s utterly classless and cheap.
I have been around many people who are bipolar, and indeed at one point thought I was as well (I went through an intense depression at one point in my life, which seems, as time has gone on, to have been mostly situational). I have read a lot about bipolarity and I’ve seen how it affects those I know. It is not a disease to be taken lightly in any way at all.
I wish you the absolute best in managing this, and I hope you’re able to let these rude comments roll off your back. I’ve always found it is the ones who are most challenged in life who are the strongest and most authentic. I appreciate your honesty and your courage to be so open about your life. I have a blog, but it is under lock and key and only a few trusted souls can read it. I would not be able to do what you’ve done. Kudos to you.
hey… I was withmy girlfriend for 7 and a half years.. and she was diagnosed with bipolar.. i knew everytime she was going into an episode.. she would always start the line with “I really like this guy” and she would go of for about a week or two and then would come saying she didnt know what she was thinking that she loved me.. she would have an episode atleast once a year… she was on lithium.. just to add to the story her family never excepted us and always told her she wasnt a lesbian.. she was always so affectionate and loving.. why did she go for guys in an episode??
Hi Tog77, welcome to CCL
I’m sorry to hear you had such a hard time with your gf. I’m not sure as to the exact science behind it but bisexuality is bisexuality is strongly linked to bipolar disorder, mostly in manic episodes because hyper sexuality is a very common thing among bipolar people during times likes these.
thank you for your reply sasha.. Just to add to my story… we only broke up back in april of this year.. basically it was all over some other girl showing interest in me and my gf got all jealous and upset.. I guess i liked the attention just for the fact of what me as a partner has been through living with a bipolar gf.. we broke up over it.. and my gf started going out just drinking continuesly and having one night stands with guys, this went on for about a month..we are now at the end of june and for the last couple of weeks i have been trying to get my girlfriend back cause i still love her.. she told me that she met some guy that makes her feel wanted that she likes.. I guess my question is.. from april when we broke up, she spent the month drinking and most probably was going through episodes.. then said she started liking this guy about a month ago.. is the bipolar talking about this guy?? can she just get over me genuinely that quick?? when she always was so affectinate and loving, and right before we broke up she told me that i was the love of her life.. which she told me a few times while we were together. thanks
Hi Tog77,
While I can’t speak for her as to whether or not she could really be over you, I will say it’s possible that she’s still in the middle of episodes and her feelings for men, may be tainted with her chemical imbalance. In the past I dated a guy for more then a year! Because I was in a really bad place and he made me feel wanted. Maybe she just needs the attention, and she doesn’t care who she gets it from?
I know you love her, but you have to take care of yourself too.
Basically, yes bipolar could be at the root of your gay gf dating a guy …. In my personal opinion. And if that’s the case, it wont last. But ask yourself if she could be bisexual anyways? Like even when she’s not cycling thru episodes? If so, then be careful.
Sasha –
You said:
” I’m not sure as to the exact science behind it but bisexuality is bisexuality is strongly linked to bipolar disorder, mostly in manic episodes because hyper sexuality is a very common thing among bipolar people during times likes these.”
Linking bisexuality to bipolar disorder is a little archaic, don’t you think? It’s like saying lesbianism is strongly linked to borderline personality disorder.
While I’m sure there are many people who are both bisexual and bipolar, one isn’t necessarily causal to the other. Hypersexuality, yes, but bisexuality isn’t a temporary state…hypersexuality that may cause acting out, might be.
Just a thought.
Well archaic as it might be, I got that from EVERY single doctor I’ve ever seen ….. and from personal experience. I think this might be a case of semantics here. Hypersexuality or bisexuality? …. perhaps the hypersexuality leads to acting out in a bisexual way …. which is what I meant. And I know about this on a first hand level as well. In this case, I think that the link between bipolar and bisexual is really due by in large to the hypersexuality that occurs in manic states.
Wow, if doctors are telling you that bisexuality is a result of bipolar disorder, that’s really surprising. I wouldn’t see them again, for sure. A sexual acting out, yes…but not a person’s orientation.
I do agree though that hypersexuality definitely can be a function of bipolar manic states…but I’m always cautious not to further berate a group who already often feel unwelcomed or misunderstood in the gay community. Many people who are bisexual live a life free of mental illness, and are in happy relationships to which they can be as faithful as the next person. I think we’d likely agree on that.
If manic states cause someone to ‘act out’ in a sexual way – be it toward someone of the same or opposite sex, then we could just as easily say that bipolar disorder makes someone a lesbian…which, we clearly know it doesn’t. Instead, we just say that acting out in a sexual way is classified as ‘hypersexuality,’ but does not cause someone’s orientation…which would seem to be more persistent over the lifespan.
thank you for your response sasha.. that does make alot of sense what you are saying… As for the bisexual part when she wasnt in an episode, no she never spoke about guys in a sexual way.. She would always say things like, “I wish you would hold me like he did” stuff like that.. And she would always say to me “dont be scared that i would leave you for another man be scared I would leave you for another woman”.. she would say that when she wasnt going through an episode.. I said that to her about a week ago about her telling me that.. because she is going on about liking some guy.. and she answered me with “I cant remember saying that”.. so something isnt right.. She can be so convincing when she says something to me, although some of her stories are not consistant, and it makes me wonder that she still may be cycling.. I cant express enough how her mother would always go on about her not being a lesbian, she never excepted it.. I have read where bipolar and lies can work hand in hand..
Jul, I had no less then 6 doctors in a row tell me that. …. and I had two tell me they could “cure me of being a lesbian” once my bipolar was under control. And before you even ask these were doctors at UCLA medical, USC University Hospital and other very reputable doctors in the field. Which is part of the reason I lost faith in them …. not just that, but it just added to the already frustrating situation.
But let me clarify again, I didn’t mean that bipolar can “cause someone to be bisexual”. I realize that there are healthy bisexual people out there, totally separate from this. I meant to say that the hypersexuality of the manic states can cause such behavior that in the time, you feel as if you might be. Now I’m speaking from personal experiencing over the last 18 years. When I am not manic, I have NOOOOOOOOO attraction to men at all and that is 90% of my life. But when in a manic stage, I do find them more attractive then usual. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that different chemicals in the brain can affect this.
Jul, I know that you always mean well and you sound extremely informed on the topic. But again, I am speaking from first hand experience, research and information I was told directly from medical professionals that claimed to be experts in this area. …. With that, I also acknowledge, thankfully, that new research and data are always being brought to light and perhaps more will be learned about this link that DOES seem to be very real for so many of us when in a manic state.
Tog77 – I just wanted to jump in and second what Sasha is saying. You are not alone, and what you are experiencing with you girlfriend is really common – especially for bipolar folks who have yet to get a handle on their episodes to be able to nip things in the bud before they spiral out of control. Once we are at the point of saying and doing things that are far out of character for us, we are likely beyond the point of being reasoned with until the mania (and/or psychosis) breaks. It sounds like this is the point your girlfriend has reached – it doesn’t mean she has stopped loving you, or that she has suddenly decided she wants to spend her life with a man, it just means her mind is not quite her own at the moment.
I’m so sorry for your pain. I put my wife through something very similar, and it almost cost me my marriage. I lied like crazy the whole time and was extremely charming and convincing to everyone involved – I was unaware of what I was actually doing until after the psychosis broke, at which point I confessed everything and fought like hell to get stable.
For some reason, it’s extremely common for lesbians experiencing manic hypersexuality to seek out men. Conversely, many straight women experiencing hypersexuality end up having lesbian affairs. So, to Sasha’s point, yes, bisexuality is very common among bipolar people (this is well documented). Though for many it is fluid and fleeting. For instance, when severely manic, I am obsessed with men. But in my normal state, I have eyes only for my wife, and don’t really give men much notice. So while I identify as lesbian, I acknowledge that I have bisexual tendencies that don’t show up under normal circumstances (my therapist theorizes that mania brings out our “shadow selves” and allows us to express parts of ourselves that are normally suppressed).
Take heart – if you do find a way to work it out with her, she can get help and find stability. It’s a lot of fucking work, but it’s possible. I used to worry constantly that I would end up cheating on my wife again, but I no longer have that fear. It is equally important for you to get help as well – to educate yourself and to be an informed support person for her, and also to heal from the emotional damage that has been done to you.
Take care.
Sasha – Sing it. Nothing compares to firsthand experience with the shit we go through (and the shit we put others through). NOTHING. It simply cannot be adequately described in words or endless peer reviewed studies.
This conversation is very interesting to me. I completely agree that ONLY when one experiences things first hand can their wisdom be more factual that what is expected or is typical or is the norm for people w whatever conditions because even the condition is the same the results or expressions and triggers of the condition are very personal and can differ. I am not bipolar but I suffer from very serious post traumatic depression and as a result (recently) social anxiety if not w my best friends or close family. So this all makes a lot of sense to me. As for the bisexual/bipolar connection I assume this would be similar for very depressed people to. I think it isn’t not an orientation in both these contexts as it is an expression of some reality avoidance. Of coursbisexuality is a very real and respected orientation as a norm for others who are not living w bipolar. Kindness, compassion, empathy, listening and respect all need to be involved in such situations cause living w depression is fucking hard and I can only imagine living w bipolar is even a hundred fucking times harder.
Thank you natalie for your comments on my situation.. It makes me feel a little better knowing that I’m not the only one that has been through this.. It makes me feel im not alone in my fight.. thanks guys.. great website you have sasha
Tog77 -With Sasha no one is alone
even through cyber space she is a very caring and very sincere person.
Sasha –
You said, “Jul, I had no less then 6 doctors in a row tell me that. …. and I had two tell me they could “cure me of being a lesbian” once my bipolar was under control.”
I totally believe in your firsthand experience…did the experts you referenced “cure you of being a lesbian?” I didn’t think so. (oh no, did they! lol) Bisexuality is not in the Diagnostic Manual, and maybe it’s their opinion just like “curing you of being a lesbian” was. But, if it’s not the official criteria, it seems they have a lot of opinions on a lot of issues that aren’t well researched…like you being cured of being a lesbian. I guess we’d say that lesbianism is also related to bipolar disorder? I’d hardly think so…or maybe I have an illness I don’t know of.
I think to be honest, its the same way for bisexuality. It gets a bad rap all the time, and I think the lesbian community is not really understanding of it or tolerant to some extent. I’m not saying you, I’m just saying the community in general.
But hey, if you want to tell this chick or whomever that her girl just is into guys when she’s manic, it’s your call…everyone has the right to their opinion.
I have to tell you Sasha, since reading your blog more regularly, you (and others) seem to have the shittiest doctors I’ve ever heard about. For that, I feel badly. Like I said, I don’t have that issue, but I have friends who have Bipolar Disorder. Many never went on meds, saw doctors who were able to help them therapeutically(some take supplements and others don’t) and now, it’s not even a factor.
They don’t even write about it, talk about it regularly, etc…because it isn’t even in their life anymore. When I find people who are writing about it, blogging about it, etc…it’s a marker that it is still an issue in their life and still there, causing problems and not being treated properly. I don’t mean meds, I just mean that it’s not well controlled in someone’s life. It sucks, because clearly, it doesn’t need to be that way.
The thing that surprised me was that when the same person, who obviously does not have their own illness under control is trying to tell others the “right way” to approach things or giving advice, it gets interesting. Sure, they have “firsthand experience,” but they are not managing it well themselves. If they knew all the answers, wouldn’t it be better under control? Maybe part of their resistance is what is keeping them stuck and sick. Again, my opinion.
I wouldn’t take the advice of an asthmatic who is wheezing all the time on how best to control their asthma…I’d want to talk to the person who doesn’t even need their inhaler and a person for whom asthma isn’t even an issue in their life. That is, if I talked to anyone with asthma at all, and not some asthma expert. I guess that’s what I’d also want if I had bipolar disorder…not just someone to empathize with me. I know it can be comforting and even therapeutic for people to know that they’re not alone in their struggles…but I’d want to meet the person who HAS overcome it, who IS living a life free of symptoms and learn every secret she’s got. I’d be on her like a white on rice (and not in a sexual way…)
It’s not an attack, it’s just how “I” would approach it. I think when people just attack others who genuinely “might” know something, it’s interesting.
Isn’t it fascinating that I know people who have NO SYMPTOMS, and people just attacked because they didn’t like the perspective…not one asked how they did it. That is logic that perpetuates illness.
So, I have no reason to further comment on this stuff. I’m sure that will make some people happy that I won’t make them uncomfortable, but as for me, I like being challenged. I learn new things all the time…it’s a big warning sign when someone has nothing else to learn. They’re stuck.
You run a great blog Sasha, and I have nothing but respect for you. Mine is just a perspective, it’s not meant to be offensive to anyone.
“When I find people are writing about it (bipolar) and blogging about it etc its a marker that it’s still there in their lives and still an issue causing problems…” well this is the blog of a “bipolar lesbian” that she created to blog about her experiences as not just a lesbian but as a bipolar lesbian with bipolar issues and experiences. (not said sarcastically- your friends are extremely lucky that they have been cured of their bipolar. Living with severe depression myself God I wish it was that easy to just “not even have in (my) life anymore”. Yes they are very lucky indeed.
Hey Jul..
Its always good to get someones outlook on situations.. and thats exactly why i started blogging on sashas forum.. And I respect and try and have an open mind on all opinions given.. Umm I myself don’t understand the logic or science or whatever term you want to use with the whole bipolar/bisexual thing.. It was put in a good way when said your only bisexual when going through an episode.. Not trying to dicriminate the word bisexual, more trying to say thats the best way to describe what happens going through an episode..your going from a girl to a guy ‘hence’ using the word bisexual.. from my experience with my girlfriend of seven years she only ever thought about guys in more then a friend way when she started into an episode.. I honestly thought ok she likes guys, i didnt understand much at the beginning about bipolar and how it affected people living with it.. I have come a long way from knowing nothing to learning heaps and i will proberly keep learning.. and the way i find myself understanding it is by asking questions and even better asking people with bipolar .. I have asked a hell of alot of questions along the 7 year journey and have a great deal more of understanding on it. You said about some people not being on meds and such.. From my research there is bipolar 1, bipolar 2.. they differ a little from each other.. of course every individual will be different to the next.. my gf may have more of a severe case to the next.. whether because of the chemical make up in each indivdual will differ to the next.. and also the type of enviroment one is around. for eg.. being into drugs or being around stressful enviroments could make bipolar harder to deal with if that makes sense.. I found with my girlfriend staying on her medication and both going to councilling together made a BIG difference in her ways in everyday living.. In my situation now I broke that “normal everyday living” by letting some other girl into my head.. so its like for my girlfriend starting from scratch again trying to get back into normal everyday living again.. And I can tell you Its not easy.. but anyway its good to see everyones opinions on things.. thanks jul.. I hope what i have said makes sense..haha
I agree w tog77 that is always good to hear different opinions and outlooks on different subjects. That’s the general open forum approach of any blog and I’m thankful to Sasha for opening up CCL to be such a great forum.
Tog77 – Your girlfriend has been *extremely* lucky to have you, and will be extremely lucky if you all find a way to work it out. What you said above speaks volumes about your understanding of what she goes through and what’s helpful/hurtful to her well-being. I can say with absolute certainty I would not be where I am right now without my incredibly supportive wife. Like you, she’s educated herself and has been my rock. I don’t know how people find their way through the muck without someone like you by their side. I really, really hope it works out for both of you (if that’s what you want, and what you’re up for).
For what it’s worth, I’ve never been on meds and it seems this may have much to do with my growing stability. While meds can be very helpful for short-term crisis use, beyond that they actually perturb normal neurological function and can cause the condition to worsen. Withdrawing from meds is something that MUST be done slowly and under strict medical supervision – but if it’s something your girlfriend would want to consider, there are some kick-ass alternatives out there. I’ve been following a very thorough holistic regimen since being diagnosed just over a year ago, and even though every psychiatrist I met with told me I’d never be stable without meds…well, here I am, doing better than ever and continuing to find my way toward wellness. It can be scary at times (though bipolar is scary even on meds), it’s a fuckload of work, and it’s a process that takes time to be sure…but it’s possible.
(Feel free to drop me an email or check out my resources page if you want more info.)
Jaz – “Living with severe depression myself God I wish it was that easy to just ‘not even have in (my) life anymore’. Yes they are very lucky indeed.”
Thanks for being ever the outspoken supporter, with your own inside scoop.
I am so fucking tired of people that DON’T have bipolar but know people that have been cured or have been drastically helped with medication sit on their high horse and judge and and anyone else still struggling with it. You don’t like it that I offer support and a little bit of advice (on what I have found to help and is only healthy habits for anyone, sick or not) …. To people that ASK me, then don’t read it. And it’s a good thing wasn’t trying to give you advice, since you don’t have it and you don’t know what you’re talking about.
How do you know that whatever your friends have, is exactly what I have, that their chemistry is exactly like mine? It clearly isn’t. You keep beating the same drum of all it takes is the right doctor and the right meds. But I’m here to tell you that does not work for everyone and if you can’t wrap your brain around that simple FACT yes I said FACT then that’s a you problem, not a me problem.
So for you to come on my blog, and talk down to me repeatedly and insult me but then to finish by telling me that you have nothing but respect for me is like peeing on my leg and telling me it’s raining.
I don’t censor my comments, as everyone knows, so if you have some come back, that once again beats that poor dead horse of yours, about meds and doctors, then be my guest. But since you don’t have it, nothing you have said or will say will carry much weight for anyone. But I have nothing but respect for you.
As fas as your comment about me not having it under control and who am I to give advice? Well a few things about that. What is under control? The meds just made me into a zombie can caused MORE suicide attempts. Is that under control? But since doing things the holistic way, I am no longer suicidal. Yes, I have some hard times, some episodes. But no medication out there, promises NO episodes, they simply try to limit them. So how is dealing with it drug free, any worse then taking harmful drugs? When the result is in fact, BETTER?
I also am happy now, have a healthy relationship and marriage, healthy happy friendships, spend my most of days doing things I love, like working on our house together, spending time with friends, my dogs, shopping, working out and writing? So I ask you, how is that not urn control? I challenge you to find someone, anyone, bipolar or not who doesn’t have ups and downslope yes, mine can be more dramatic. But medication, would not totally stop that. And if you believe that, that you need to do more research and not just the websites that are put out by the drug companies.
And as far as that “advice” I give out? Yes, how dare I tell people to research their medications. To know what the possible side effects are. Yes, knowledge is harmful, how dar I!? And how dare I tell them to take meds if it helps. How dare I tell people to not give up hope if they don’t work, how dare I tell them to look into nutritional supplements that their only real side effect would be shiny hair and nice nails if nothing else. Who do I think I am to tell people to exercise regularly because it releases endorphins. To meditate and try to calm down and to regain perspective. Yes, how dare I give this witchcraft advice!. Really?
Well anyone who has a problem with that sort of advice, really does have a problem. Maybe you should go see a professional…. I’m sure there’s a medication for that.
Sasha – I already felt a post coming on about society’s expectations of “wellness” and how we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Now it will be forthcoming in the near future for sure. I’m so sorry yet another know-it-all has seen fit to slam you on your own fucking blog. She can take all her second hand “knowledge” and shove it as far as I’m concerned. It’s one thing to be concerned and supportive, it’s another to preach that we’re broken and ill because we just can’t “get it right” like all her magically cured bipolar friends. Kudos to them – but seriously, if it were so god damn easy and one-size-fits-all, then why wouldn’t everyone be jumping on that train??
You already know this, but I’m saying it anyway. You are fucking brave. You are fucking strong. And sharing right here on your corner of the blogosphere is making a huge fucking difference.
And you are so right about where you are – by standard “recovery” criteria, you’re in the damn stratosphere. You have an amazing wife and a very happy life – a life with some trials and tribulations, but yeah, who the fuck doesn’t have those? So ours are more challenging than your average Jane…and…? Doesn’t that make us that much more bad-ass that we can weather such intense storms and that we can be so self-aware?
Yes. Yes it fucking does. Keep on keeping on, sister.
And as far as your friends that are so perfectly cured or under control, unless you live with them how can you know? Because they don’t talk about it, or write about? And we all know that if someone doesn’t talk about hard times then it means they aren’t having any. Because they tell you that they’re 100% better a 100% of the time? Maybe they don’t want to share their hard times with you. Maybe they’re not as perfect as you think they are but feel like they will be judged as harshly as you’ve judged me, so they keep their mouth shut? Just a thought.
I am saying all of this, because I feel that some things you have said are downright hurtful and even harmful to some sensitive people that are looking for support and friendship. Not to be talked down to.
(Sasha, I was thinking the same exact thing – we only share our innermost pain and demons with those we feel safe with…not with those we know will judge us for not being “perfect” enough. Especially when perfectionism is already such a struggle for many of us. And people like Jul have no idea just how harmful their words can be, which circles right back to having no real clue what it’s like to be bipolar.)
For anyone thinking that bipolar disorder can be “cured”, think again. It can’t. It can be “managed”, and if a sufferer is very very fortunate, they may become asymptomatic, but for now, there is no cure and it is a life-long condition and it can rear up at any given moment. Oh yeah, there are some bipolars on meds that aren’t experiencing symptoms, but they are likely zombies and they aren’t experiencing LIFE either. If you look at where Sasha has been, and compare it to where she is now, I would say she is more than qualified to dispense advice. She didn’t beat this thing just once. She beats it every single day. Every day that she wakes up and is glad to be alive, to give and receive love, to look at the sun and know it for what it is, to know the difference between ill and healthy, to care enough to help others…she is highly functioning, LIVING, and considering her journey thus far, I would say she is a champion worthy of the fucking Nobel Prize for beating this thing. Fuck doctors. I always have a problem with mental health professionals because most of them don’t have the first-hand experience of whatever it is they are trying to treat. Sure they can read text on paper, and study the results of controlled research, but if any of that shit held water, the world would be cured by now. They can say, “here take these pills, and come back and see me in six weeks” so easily. Meanwhile, the patient has to live those six weeks, hanging on by a thread, from one moment to the next. How can those patients describe the numerous harrowing experiences when they next see their doctor, who chirps, “so how are things? better?” So don’t be so quick to hold up the all-mighty Doctor as the end-all and the answer. Sure, they have their place, but usually it is head-first and neck-deep in Big Pharma’s ass.
I just read this blog again, start to final comments. The majority of these stories are so heart breaking, and I can see myself in a lot of them. It really does re-iterate the need for compassion. The negative comments break my heart the most, because I know someone in a vulnerable wanting to be “normal”/”perfect” would see them and want to end it all.
Please don’t give up on living.
The saddest stories I see are from those left behind- they never saw their loved ones as burdens, and it’s the ones they lost that turned out to be the reason they kept on living as whole beings.
Thank you sasha for your advice to me, it helps me understand alot more.. I hope I didnt say anything of offence..
Well…those of us who have trouble setting boundaries can glean a little how-to here.
Um, Sasha, you did say you were taking off the kid gloves, didn’t you? : )
For someone to critize someone who is bipolar to be writing about bipolar issues on her own “bipolar lesbian” blog makes as much sense as those fighting depression and bipolar not standing in the magical cure line.
Elergy The last paragraph of wrote u wrote hit me VERY hard. I’ve gotten some REALLY fucked up health news recently and have been “tying up loose ends” including a trip to see family,planned this week to secretly pack up at work….and read your post it was like u were shaking me to get a grip. Yes, everyone words are important so please think before you type or talk! Thanks Elergy. One day at a time I guess.
Jaz! OMG! I’ve been there, and yes my spirit is calling out to yours and shaking you up! One day at a time sometimes feels too long, I go by hours in those dark moments, sometimes five minutes. “Okay, I made it those, I’m not dumb or trying to trick myself, but can I just give another five minutes a shot?” <3
One thing about being bipolar is having to live with the stupid things I do. There are some people who have been so hurt by me they cannot come back into my life. I understand that completely. Taking responsibility for my actions is one of the toughest things I have ever had to do. And, I do it daily. Meds keep me functioning, but a good therapist guided me to really see how my behavior hurt myself and others. There is no “cure” for this diagnosis, there is only “managing” this diagnosis. The lows for me are more dramatic than the highs, but when I am high I have damaging, unsafe, inappropriate sex. I shop so much I lost my house and declared Bankruptcy. I had $90,000.00 in credit card debt. However, the most threatening part is the dark path down to depression. It ranges from I would rather not go outside, to I would kill myself if I only had enough energy to get out of bed and find the means. There is never the opportunity to make a plan because I can’t even think. So, the meds help me level out. The therapy makes me confront my behavior and find a way to correct my behavior so I don’t completely lose myself in either direction. But, I will no longer hide from the reality of how I have hurt others beyond repair and damage myself by not taking responsibility for myself. It can be a long, lonely path, but one I keep walking down because I believe I am a life worth saving.
More power to you Sasha, and anyone else affected by mental illness who reads this blog.
I think you are very courageous for clarifying your health status, and you deserve our respect for putting it out there. As a lesbian with bipolar disorder, I don’t care who knows that I’m gay, but I control very carefully who knows about my illness.
I was hospitalised for 3 weeks last year with mixed episodes. It takes months to get over the experience, let alone the effects of the illness (and medications) itself – so when I read some of those negative comments about you using your bipolar disorder to get attention, or as an excuse for bad behaviour, I cried.
There have been other hospitalisations, some of them long, some of them under compulsory treatment orders. It changes you profoundly. It is well documented that mental illness, like other chronic illness, causes downward mobility. It puts pressure on relationships, finances (see the above comment if you are in any doubt over how damaging a manic episode can be), physical health, education and job prospects.
Unfortunately, as some comments have demonstrated, people still feel free to make judgements about the validity of mental illness that they wouldn’t dare to make about physical ailments.
Regarding medication- it isn’t as simple as a diabetic taking insulin. There is no one perfect medication for bipolar disorder. There are a range of different medications with different functions (moodstabilisers, antipsychotics, antidepressants, benzodiazapines etc) and they are prescribed in groups to try to control symptoms. Side effects are considerable, often severe enough to prevent the patient from benefiting from that medication.
It has taken me 3 hours to write this comment. One of my meds makes me very stupid. It slows my thinking and makes writing very hard. Talking is even worse because by the time I have composed a sentence in my head ready to say, the conversation has moved on. It is very frustrating at the best of times – heartbreaking when I let it get to me.