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You can thank Elegy for this post. She just turned me on to this blog called, Butch Sightings:A Social Interaction. And it’s effing brilliant. Why didn’t I think of this!!!??? Basically, the blogger is a lipstick femme, married to a butch and she goes around taking photos of butches she comes across on the street!!!! Again: BRILLIANT.

In her own words, here is how she describes it:

How does the project work?
Using my iPhone and natural chutzpah, I approach people I think may be butch and ask them if they are, and if I can take their photo and post it.

A simple act of subversive risk and connection – in which my perception as the viewer is pervasive and motivating, and yet is possibly inaccurate. I put myself into the photos by acknowledging my ever-present and biased point-of-view. To pretend to be objective would do a disservice to my work and to the people I meet during the project.

I’m interested in not only the documented image, but also the uncomfortable, sometimes satisfying, sometimes awkward, almost always risky interaction in which I don’t pretend not to see, don’t act “polite” by not saying anything and don’t know what will happen. There’s exquisite possibility in the approach across an unknown chasm and I find butches exquisitely beautiful.

I’ll use the pronoun “she” to refer to the butches I photograph unless they tell me they prefer something else.

I am now pretty obsessed with her site. I think she’s mostly in the Bay area though. Maybe I could be her LA correspondent? 😉

No, seriously. I’ve thought for a long time about asking, not just the butches, but any obviously gay woman a little about herself. Like impromptu interviews on the street. But I’m a bit shy and more of an observer then a chatty Cathy.

But I think that her blog is a great idea. It’s nice to see a site that a) celebrates butches and b) gives other butches and maybe some baby butches, that live in less gay friendly areas around the country a chance to see that they’re not the only one. Even if they feel like it in Po-dunk America.

She’s inspired me. Maybe I’ll start taking pictures of the ‘random lesbian sightings’ that always make Remi and I say, in unison, sometimes very loudly and sometimes hushed, “LESBIANSSSSSSS!” 😉

This article has 64 comments

  1. Elegy

    Annnnnd you’re welcome. So many hot butches, so many different *types* of hot butches!

  2. Rexie

    =D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. van

    Lol me and my girl say “LESBIANSSS” also

  4. DDK

    LOL

  5. Rexie

    Uhm…at the risk for committing some blogosphere faux pas, I give you this:

    http://www.butchsightings.com/2012/01/194-joey-doesnt-conform.html

    You can butter my ass and call me a biscuit any day.

  6. Sasha

    Rexie, no faux pas there! 😀

  7. Raye

    I really like this site. It seems to have mostly real butches and not some girly androgynous bois. Evidently this blogger knows what butch means and I would like to meet her.

  8. Jenny

    Question regarding butches:

    (I thought of it when I read the discussion about short hair/long hair.

    Is it a close link between overweight and people that id themself as butch?

  9. LucyInDaSkyWithDiamonds

    I’m glad I’m not the only person that gets excited when she sees other lesbians… My line is typically, “That chick right there? Total lesbian. No I’m serious.”

    🙂

  10. alice

    omg, Elegyand Sasha! this is why i never get anything done! my absolute favorite! butches! nothing gets me going more!!!! *hapy dance*

  11. Jazmenha

    Oh SO hot – I like 🙂

  12. Sasha

    Jenny – I don’t think that’s a very nice question actually. I don’t see any connection between weight and butch identity. I know a lot of thin, super fit, athletic butches. Probably just as many as I know of thicker butches.

    If I were hard pressed to make a connection between butchness and weight, it would be this: that MAYBE because they aren’t subject to societal pressures usually thrown unto feminine women ( e.g. “you must be a skinny mini to be considered beautiful and desirably to men.”) perhaps, they feel more comfortable in their skin and have come to realize that they (as butches but still as women) have so much more to offer the world then what they look like or how what size dress they fit into.

    Any other thoughts on this?

  13. Jazmenha

    Everyone comes in different sizes and shapes. The butch I made my CCL name after was definitely not fat and she was definitely butch.

  14. Lee

    There is no link between the two. Its like saying all black people like fried chicken and all asians are good at math. Generalizations lead to pigeonholing. Broaden your horizons.

    Thanks for sharing the site, I’ll add it to my list of time-wasters at work. 😉

  15. Jenny

    Wow – I looked to see who was viewing my blog today and I found you Card Carrying Lesbian. Thanks so much for the love – and for sharing the butch goodness.

    I am always very happy to have correspondents from other areas. My very good friend was living in Brooklyn and doing sightings there but has moved. Bring them on, from LA, and anywhere else.

    As an aside, my daughter who has just turned 6, likes to help me do butch sightings. But what she really wants me to do is start a dogsightings page!

    Also, I do a lot of writing and other work, you can find more of that by clicking on my profile and reading my other blogs. Very different.

    Okay, now I must peruse your web site.

    Jenny Strauss

  16. Jazmenha

    Jenny S Love your site! Best wishes to you and your fam! Welcome to CCL Sasha is wonderful!

  17. Jazmenha

    I am assuming (and important question to clarify the answer) Jenny (above w correlating fat/butch) and Jenny (owner of cool blog about butches) are two different commentors/people correct? Jenny and Jenny S (suggestion 😉 add the S as CCL name if two different people).

  18. Jenny

    I’m sorry if I offended someone, but I see butch culture as any other culture and why shouldn’t overweight be a sign of masculinity? In the heterosexual world size (as long it’s about men) do matter. Women shouldn’t be big but men have other choices. Why shouldn’t it fit butch culture?

  19. Sasha

    Hi Jenny Strauss (owner of butch sightings) I’m so happy you made your way over here. I tried to email you but I’m not a member of blogger and it wouldn’t let me. 🙁

    I really love your work and would LOVE to be your LA correspondent!! I also added you to our lovely blogroll —–>

    🙂

  20. Sasha

    @ the other Jenny.

    You wrote, “I’m sorry if I offended someone, but I see butch culture as any other culture and why shouldn’t overweight be a sign of masculinity? In the heterosexual world size (as long it’s about men) do matter. ”

    Thank you for clarifying your question. I think that helps take away the sting if anyone felt any. 🙂 And I see your point. Size and masculinity do have a connection, traditionally. But I don’t think it really works within the lesbian community. I’ve seen tons of hot, little butches with their femmes towering above them. 🙂

    It’s sort of hard to do, but when you come into the lesbian world, you have to let go of a lot of old programming.

  21. Jul

    Sasha –

    I agree with you. I don’t think there is a correlation, and I don’t think it’s a ‘nice’ question…but what I do think, is that many butches seem to aspire to a different type of body or maybe don’t (as you mentioned) feel the societal pressure to be structured a certain way like maybe femmes do. Like, I am more likely to see them thick and muscular, than lithe and waify or hourglass. I noticed also, that butches may wear different clothing that might not showcase the body as much…so maybe that also can make the body appear differently.

    I know that the lesbian community, as a whole, has struggled with certain elements more than the general population statistically (drugs, depression, etc..) due to social rejection…maybe weight is another one of those elements, but I’m not sure?

    ….I’ve never noticed to be honest. Weight/obesity seems to be more of a societal struggle rather than a butch one to me.

  22. Sasha

    Jul – I had thought of the connection between societal rejection -> depression -> weight gain etc. But then also think that affects the group equally, across the rainbow so to speak. I don’t know if butches are more at risk for depression and weight gain from that depression, then any other lesbian? You know.

    Meh. But yes, excellent points.

  23. Raye

    Jenny Strauss I love your site. I appreciate the love for us butches more than you know.

    To the other Jenny – your comments are what create stone butches. Good job. Sasha was probably right about some butches not feeling the need to conform but did it ever occur to you that some butches are overweight because they are constantly dealing with stress from a society that hates them? I know I lost a job because of being butch. We can’t all live in a gayborhood. Some of us face real danger that some of you could not even comprehend.
    And then perhaps they are overweight because they feel like they are undesireable… because they don’t fit the description of beautiful that people like YOU have. People gain weight for a myriad of health reasons and your judgment of them is not going to solve that issue. I have struggled with my weight all my life (even though I am probably not as fat as I think I am) and it is not because I am butch. What an asinine assumption to make!

    Is everyone named Jenny thoughtless and rude and quick to judge people based on something that won’t even matter when you’re in a nursing home? No obviously not, because Jenny Strauss is proving that assumption wrong. Good thing I never made it. Should we make the assumption that you are thin? I bet you are the person that sits with your friends and makes fun of normal women at the beach who have stretch marks and a little weight on them because they have had kids aren’t you? Fuck man, women like you make me never want to undress in front of thinner women. I hate the fact that people like you exist.

  24. Jenny

    (I’m from Sweden, a different culture maybe and a different language…so maybe that’s a part of my rudeness)

    Interesting thoughts!

    I had an idea of butchness being anti-femininity. Not ant i-female but being something that the heterosexual world does not comprehend. And being female and big is one of these things.

  25. Sasha

    RAYE!!!! Don’t you think you’re being a tad bit harsh?? The girl was trying to ask questions. She’s not a dude trying to hurt anyone. Plus now I find out there’s also a language barrier.

    Raye …. my friend …. I love you. But you’re so angry lately. 🙁 Not that you don’t have a lot to be angry about. But I hope you’ll take a breath and ask yourself if whoever you’re about to unleash on is the best target for the anger. I don’t want to scare people off from being able to ask honest questions on here. Yes, we can put them in their place a bit, when needed, but I don’t think we need to chop their heads off. You know what I mean?

    *hugs*

  26. Jenny

    Raye, I love the way you go from one, factory innocent question, to the assumption that I judge other women by their looks. Overweight is a matter of numbers not a matter of opinions in my world. You can, without a doubt from my side, be as hot as help and “big”. I didn’t say anything about my opinion. I merely said that that I saw, what I thought could be, a consistency. Not a truth.

  27. Elegy

    “Question regarding butches:

    (I thought of it when I read the discussion about short hair/long hair.

    Is it a close link between overweight and people that id themself as butch?”

    A close link how? I think that question operates on a false premise and lacks consideration for other factors. The first of which being that the pictures are located in a country with a high obesity/body-fat-percentage rate dispersed among gender, sexuality, and race. You are going to see more *people* (not just women) who are overweight, and, as you break down the numbers into rarer and smaller categories, the percentages as compared to those who are not overweight are more likely to go up than down. If you were to browse tumblr-based lesbian submission blogs, you would notice a variety of body types across the identity spectrum. To answer it flatly: no, I do not.

  28. Elegy

    “I’m sorry if I offended someone, but I see butch culture as any other culture and why shouldn’t overweight be a sign of masculinity? In the heterosexual world size (as long it’s about men) do matter. Women shouldn’t be big but men have other choices. Why shouldn’t it fit butch culture?”

    Because there are fat femmes? Take “Queer Fat Femme” or “Deviant Femme”= they’re awesome. If someone wants to adopt their weight as an expression of their masculinity or femininity, more power to them. I wouldn’t see being overweight or at any particular weight as being inherently masculine or feminine- it’s fat, and it does what it does. Of course fat distribution has had a traditional role in how we view people- is that what you meant?

  29. Elegy

    Also: HI, Jenny S! Your sight is awesome, and I especially love it when we learn a little bit about the personality and daily life of the butches you photograph. I have to say, one of my favorite descriptions was of how you came across Maggie (218)- it was a beautiful description.

  30. Jenny

    Email me at butchsightings at gmail dot com. Butchsightings is on facebook, and for that matter, Instagram and Twitter. And you can look me up too.

    I find the discussion of fatness to be interesting but staying a little bit removed from it. As a fat femme, I have a lot to say. I wouldn’t make any correlations between body size and ones psychological state or physical health, except to say that when one is the subject of derision and hateful targeting, that certainly takes its toll.

    Women are prone to gain weight as they age, many of the people I photograph are older (not all). That may have have something to do with the body sizes. It may also be that I don’t steer away from photographing or appreciating butches of all sizes.

    Love being here, love knowing butchsightings is appreciated, like the butches.

  31. Jenny Strauss

    Oops, forgot to sign off as Jenny S. on the earlier post.

  32. Jenny Strauss

    Elegy,

    Sometimes there’s space for me to ask people more about themselves and I really love doing that. Sometimes the sighting is very fast, or it’s one of many and it’s a little harder. Often I’m balancing on the edge of awkward with these things, often I get “no” for an answer, and sometimes I downright offend people…takes a lot of energy but I’m back in the saddle this summer. 🙂

  33. Jazmenha

    Jenny S My dog and I would LOVE to go butch and dog sighting w you and your daughter. 😉 BUT Can we focus on butch sightings on only those butches who are single. 😉 Please!!!!- I’ll let your daughter barrow my dog for a day. 🙂

  34. WWG

    The causes for weight gain is an individual and unique thing. Also, “fat” is an incredibly subjective thing that depends on culture as much as the person themselves. I remember singer Jennifer Hudson saying she had no idea she was considered fat until she got to Hollywood, because everyone around her (family and friends) had the same body types as she did.

    Weight can be a psychological blanket as well. I grew up extremely tiny and in shape all my life. As i struggled with my orientation, i gained some weight. When i came out and became happy with myself, the weight id held onto for 5+ years melted off in 3 months.

    I do think there is some historical correspondence between weight gain and the lesbian world, in part because the struggle was so great to be separated from the heteronormative status quo that there was a great rejection of standard expectations of beauty. I dont think its necessarily a coincidence that as lesbians are more accepted in the world at large, we as a culture are more open to beauty and fitness regimes that once would have been the marker of straight women. Hell many fitness instructors nowadays arent perky little girly girls but butches with a mouth. Paging Lacey Stone, Jillian Michaels and Jackie Warner! I dont have enough knowledge to go beyond those basic thoughts on the history of our culture and looks, so perhaps someone who does can pick up that thread of thought.

    For me, i dont mind a heftier butch or androgynous woman. Thats partially because if i like her, il like her body, and partly because i kind of like feeling “small” in comparison to her. My last gf was a butch who had a bit of weight on her and i cant say i noticed it until she pointed it out!

    So there you go – some of it is a female (sex, not gender) thing, some of it is perhaps a gender thing, and some of it is cultural. But all of the reasons for weight gain is definitely individual.

  35. Raye

    I understand wanting to ask questions but the assumption that all butch lesbians are fat and unattractive is something that straight men (and women) say all the time. And, if you look at the overwhelming numbers of that stereotype being perpetuated and you are PART OF that group being disparaged, it starts to grate on your nerves. The misconceptions and generalizations about butches have become even more clear to me since I have been out in the dating world again and that is the reason I have little patience for comments or “questions” tinted as comments like that one. It was a backhanded way of making a disparaging remark about a large group of people or which I happen to be a member. That may make me sensitive to it but imagine if someone came here and asked if it was true that all femmes were weak and in need of someone to care for them? Might get your feathers a little ruffled too. Jus sayin.

  36. Raye

    By the way Elegy, I thought your comments were spot on and I liked them very much 🙂

  37. Sasha

    No, you’re right Raye. I understand where you’re coming from, which why I said what I did in my first comment about it not being a nice question to ask. And you’re right, I hate that you’re in a group that gets so much bullshit. I don’t get it. I really don’t.

    Also: side note sort of …. I have dated a few thicker butches and they actually preferred to be heavier then me, because they said they didn’t want to look frail or weak. And that their physical size helped them portray the masculine image they were going for. Now don’t anyone get on me about muscle vs. fat. They weren’t “clinically obese” or anything, they were just bigger. And you know what? I loved it, I didn’t mind at all. I thought they were sexy and I actually loved the way the weight felt on top of me, I liked that they were a little bigger then me.

    Then I go and marry a woman 4 inches shorter and extremely thin! So there you go, sexiness is not a number on a scale. It comes in many packages and I don’t really think anyone here was saying otherwise.

  38. Raye

    I agree with you about the weight issue. I battle with how I view myself but the girls who are attracted to me almost always tell me they like that I am a stocky, solid build because they do like the strength and weight on top of them. So I have to push through my own insecurities about weight issues and remember that women (usually) do not view their lovers from the same looking glass as men. But I strive to be healthy and strong and image conscious as it pertains to my partner simply to return the favor that she strives to be that for me. I don’t think any butch actively tries to be overweight. And overweight is a matter of opinion contrary to what was said here. One person may (and sometimes did) look at the curvy pinup girls I am attracted to and call them overweight. I know a lot of men who do this and I get to listen to it every day at work. But then I look at the women they think are sexy and they look like cancer patients to me. I can’t get down with skin & bones. It looks emaciated to me. So when Jenny tried to say that being overweight is a matter of numbers, that simply is not true.

  39. Elegy

    Thanks, Raye.

    Jenny Strauss:
    Sometimes there’s space for me to ask people more about themselves and I really love doing that. Sometimes the sighting is very fast, or it’s one of many and it’s a little harder. Often I’m balancing on the edge of awkward with these things, often I get “no” for an answer, and sometimes I downright offend people…takes a lot of energy but I’m back in the saddle this summer.

    I get that, and it’s very much appreciated! This reminds me of a blog I read (was it here? Elsewhere? Maybe it was a comment) where it was encouraging people to smile more at “family” since we have it so rough in many different ways. Just a smile to let each other know we’re seen and acknowledged. I think your blog goes a step further in acknowledgement, and while I’m not there to experience the more nerve wracking aspects, I definitely can appreciate the end product and courage on both sides.

  40. Jenny

    So. Been working and wanted to give a more complete response to everyones thoughts.

    Sasha wrote: ” I have dated a few thicker butches and they actually preferred to be heavier then me, because they said they didn’t want to look frail or weak. ”
    WWG wrote: “For me, i dont mind a heftier butch or androgynous woman. Thats partially because if i like her, il like her body, and partly because i kind of like feeling “small” in comparison to her.”
    Raye wrote: “. I battle with how I view myself but the girls who are attracted to me almost always tell me they like that I am a stocky, solid build because they do like the strength and weight on top of them.”

    This is what I meant by writing: “I had an idea of butchness being anti-femininity.”

    I had an idea of butch being “bigger” (of course it can be a matter of mucles as well) as a sign of strength, being the family protector and maybe dominance. Butch = powerfull.

    (In Sweden the lesbian community doesn’t talk about femme and butch in the same way as people in the US seem to do. I don’t think I ever met a person id themself as butch or femme. We have queer, androgyne and masculine and so on and so on but it’s not common at all to talk in those termes. My gf says it was more common 15-20 years ago)

    Raye, I was talking about overweight in clinical terms, >25 % body fat in women, hence a matter of numbers. What you or me think of someone, or ourself for that matter, being >25% is a matter of opinion.

    For me, the subject is very intriguing, and I’m really sorry every toe I may have stepped on. I don’t not intended to be rude/narrow-minded.

    “can” I call myself butch if my apperence dosen’t meet the “butch agenda”, instance liking high heels? ( Of course, I know that I can call myself piggy if that’s what I feel like…but I think you get the idea)

  41. Jazmenha

    Elegy Wasn’t there a post about lesbians and weight a very long time ago? I think there was and I think it was a good one that relates to where the comment section has gone. Thanks detective Elegy. 🙂

  42. Elegy

    I believe I know which one you’re referring to, and-assuming we’re talking about the same post- it’s since been removed.

  43. Jul

    Here’s putting it bluntly.

    “2/3 of Americans are considered overweight or obese” according to this article:
    [Flegal, K. M., Carroll, M. D., Kit, B.K., & Ogden, C. L. (2012). Prevalence of obesity and trends in the distribution of body mass index among U.S. adults, 1999-2010. Journal of the American Medical Association, 307(5), 491-497.]

    So, saying this as gently as possible – being overweight is NOT a butch issue, it’s not a lesbian issue, it’s an American issue. This isn’t me being a nasty person…this is just me looking at the numbers. You can argue all you want about ‘imposed standards of beauty,’ blah, blah..blah… but this is what a scientific person would tell you. You go by the medical standard of BMI.

    Just for reference: A BMI of 30 or greater is considered obese, overweight if it’s between 25-29.9, normal if it’s 18.5-24.9, and underweight if it’s less than 18.5.

    Here is a BMI calculator if you’re interested: http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

    Geez…this really isn’t a complex topic.

  44. Elegy

    “Geez…this really isn’t a complex topic.” Devil’s advocate, but it kind of is. The current BMI standard does not account for other measurements of health, varying physiology of athletic body types, and the difference among race and body type for how fat and muscle are distributed.

    I do understand what most people mean by “the numbers”- I just also know that the current standard is not a perfect standard, but a reference point.

  45. Elegy

    This is one of my favorite references, and really opened my eyes with what the human body can do and what each type is capable of and suited for:
    http://ninamatsumoto.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/athletic-body-diversity-reference-for-artists/

    Commentary: “This is a photoshoot of various Olympic-level athletes by Howard Schartz and Beverly Ornstein titled “The Athlete”. … This photoshoot serves as awesome reference reminding us artists that strong bodies come in all kinds of shapes and sizes and muscles show up in different ways. It also helps us keep in mind that not everyone who is fit is also lean. There’s often a layer of fat over the muscles, making them less visible for some.”

  46. Shae Archer

    Agreed.. this blog is totally an awesome idea. And femmes arent the only ones who get excited about seeing another butch, even we boiz get a lil excited when we see each other out an about. And YES you should totally do an LA version! I’ve wanted to do one, but I’m just too damn shy to approach random people : /
    Here’s my Butch Sightings posting btw when i met the blogger up in the bay 🙂
    http://www.butchsightings.com/2011/10/60-shay-archer-at-dyke-central-premier.html

  47. Jazmenha

    Jenny S OMG your site has some VERY attractive butch women. Fat or thin, short or tall butch lesbians have it all! Now everyone stop this big fat-ass nonsense and say the cheer with me (while standing on one foot and rubbing YOUR own belly 😉 ) “Fat or thin, short or tall butch lesbians have it all! “

  48. Jul

    Elegy –

    You said: “Devil’s advocate, but it kind of is [a complex topic – weight]. The current BMI standard does not account for other measurements of health, varying physiology of athletic body types, and the difference among race and body type for how fat and muscle are distributed.”

    Yes, because there are so many ‘athletic americans’ (of any race) with muscular frames that it throws the whole system off! lol. Come on now chica…you know better than that.

    My point was that being overweight isn’t a ‘butch’ issue or lesbian problem, it’s an American one. The facts support it.

  49. Elegy

    I’m saying that BMI’s are not the standard of accuracy people portray them to be, but a reference- that’s all. Otherwise we’re saying the exact same thing re: weight in America.

  50. Jul

    Elegy –

    Two things –

    1. Yes, we agree on the BMI thing
    2. Holy crap, I went to your blog and saw the story on the lesbian who was raped, etc..why isn’t that on EVERY NEWS channel! I could hardly believe it. Ugh…please think about ‘tipping off’ larger news organizations with this. It deserves coverage.

  51. Elegy

    Off topic, sorry about that, Sasha:
    Yes, thanks Jul, and I just did at your urging.

  52. Jenny Strauss

    Funny that as a fat dyke and a fat writer, performance artist, the discussion is so much about fatness. I am not going to argue about it, too much energy. I would highly recommend a couple resources:

    http://www.bigfatblog.com

    http://www.haescommunity.org/

    For more of my POV:
    http://www.theintersection.org/iwl/2011/strauss.html

    http://www.performanceart.ca/index.php?m=pubarticle&id=30

    http://eightsixseventfivethreeohnine.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-daily-write-disgusting-july-21-2012.html

  53. Elegy

    Thank you for those, Jenny S.

  54. Elegy

    Especially this, this is able to address BMI’s better than I can with my generalities:
    http://www.bigfatblog.com/study-weight-isnt-real-issue
    “Yes, not only were even the highest BMIs only weakly associated with excess mortality, fat diabetics are less likely to die than thin diabetics. This study also found that people with BMIs under 35 do not have an elevated mortality risk at all, not even when diabetes and heart disease aren’t controlled for.”

    I think it’s important to talk about and inform on, given so many misconceptions, even if it’s uncomfortable.

    I also like the “Health at Every Size” information.

  55. Jenny Strauss

    Shae, great to see you here. I always wonder what it’s like to be sighted. Of course, that was a big event, and so not quite as risky as when I approach people randomly on the street (not random to me, of course).

    Also – I did go ahead and follow my daughter’s wishes. http://www.dogsightings.com is live. LOL.

  56. Jenny Strauss

    Elegy,

    I agree that this is an important dialog and glad you pulled that quote. For me as a fat woman with diabetes (e.g. scorned) it is also extremely exhausting. I tend to address through creative means but am always so happy when there are articulate, smart, well read people who put the real facts out there.

  57. Jazmenha

    Jenny S- I LOVE your dogsightings I am going to submit my own “baby girl”, Heart. I LOVE your Butchsightings website. It is a wonderful way to honor the truest beauty of the character of a butc Wow such fun and creative ways to connect with
    the world around you. Such
    great outlets to involve your daughter in.
    I really want to remind people weight does not make the person!!!!! Weight does not define you!!! For the last month I have been on an insane diet to the point that my body could no longer take it and I threw up the who drive up to the city with Crush. And it wasn’t just because my x love (bi-curious) was talking about her boyfriend. I appear to digress as the comments in the post have after the questioned correlation of fat and butch. My point is I realized that night that since April I have become obsessed with loosing weight and I do not want anyone to feel they need to loose weight. Be yourself. Be so proud of who you are. Of the kindness of your heart not
    the size of your clothes. Jenny S I am very glad that there are people like you in this world who celebrate taking the time to stop and notice all of the wonderful things around us like butch women and dogs. 🙂

  58. Jazmenha

    I use “you” universally in general terms.

  59. Raye

    Again Jenny Strauss… thank you for loving us that much. It means a lot in a world where we are considered unattractive second rate versions of men by the majority of society.

  60. Jazmenha

    Raye That is absolutely not true is MY world Butch lesbians are an entirely other planet of sexy. I would choose a butch ANY day over a man.

  61. Trina

    Speak for yourself Raye. I consider myself one fine ass Butch. A woman. A tough exterior doesn’t mean you have to be unattractive.
    Jenny S – your website is awesome!! 🙂

  62. Raye

    Trina I didn’t say I considered MYSELF unattractive. I have no issues with how I look, and neither do the women who flock to me. I am talking about a larger view of society who are not butch-loving women but men and straight chicks and L Word lesbians. Butch-loving women are not as common as the haters but, they are pretty fucking spectacular like Sasha and Miss Strauss here. Stop putting words in my mouth. I know I am attractive…. some would say I know too well.

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