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Military chaplains debate roles without ‘DADT’

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As Congress debates the repeal of the Pentagon’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, military chaplains are doing their own soul-searching.

About 3,000 chaplains currently serve in the military, endorsed by a multitude of faiths, including Christian, evangelical Protestant, Jewish and Muslim denominations. It’s a unique culture where chaplains of various beliefs serve alongside one another counseling and caring for an equally diverse congregation of armed service members.

“Some of the most intense and sharpest divergence of views about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell exists among the chaplains,” states the Pentagon report, released last week, on the potential impact of repealing the policy. The report concludes that allowing openly gay or lesbian troops to serve in the military would have little lasting impact on the U.S. armed forces.

Among the issues raised by chaplains, according to the report, is whether a change in policy would hinder ministers’ religious expression, particularly for those faiths that consider homosexuality immoral.

“Chaplains who aren’t able to proclaim what they believe is true about this issue … means that the soldier then, the airman, the sailor, the guardian, the Marine aren’t able to get the full opportunity to hear religious faiths,” retired Army Chaplain Brigadier Gen. Douglas Lee tells CNN.

A chaplain for more than 30 years, Lee now serves as executive director of a Presbyterian group that endorses military chaplains from six denominations. A clergy member must be endorsed by a religious group or denomination in order to serve as a chaplain.

Lee and dozens of other former military chaplains signed a letter earlier this year to President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates urging them not to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

“I fear and many others fear that down the road, knowing the other agenda items that are on the plate of those promoting a homosexual lifestyle, (there) would be a concern that chaplains would be restricted from proclaiming their faith tenets,” says Lee.

Chaplains provide counseling, guidance and perform religious rites, such as baptisms and marriage, for service members.

Another retired chaplain who served for 20 years says he counseled gay and lesbian service members who confided their struggle over hiding their sexual orientation.

“For me it was very disheartening,” retired Air Force Chaplain Col. Jerry Rhyne tells CNN. “I tried to bring them hope and encouragement to live their life to the fullest and to help them deal with their issues.”

Rhyne, who spoke to the Pentagon group that issued the report on “don’t ask, don’t tell,” supports the repeal, arguing it’s a matter of justice.

“The scriptures and Gospels tell us we need to love our neighbors as ourselves. If you provide ministry on that basis, you can’t reject somebody on their lifestyle, but you have to love them as a human being. That’s a key element of providing chaplain services to military personnel wherever they are.”

Rhyne says if a chaplain is unable to provide religious services because of a conflict of beliefs, they are required to find another chaplain for the service member.

“The issue should not be upon the chaplain’s comfortability but it ought to be on how we provide pastoral care to the service personnel,” says Rhyne.

Rhyne agrees with Gates that safeguards are in place to enable chaplains to maintain their religious beliefs and still serve a diverse community.

In a briefing last Tuesday, Gates said, “There is an obligation to care for all. But it also is clear that the chaplains are not going to be asked to teach something they don’t believe in.”

Despite the divergent views, the Pentagon report found that repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell” would have little impact on the chaplain corps. Only three out of about 145 chaplains who participated in the study suggested they would quit or leave if the law were changed.

The chaplains CNN spoke to seem to suggest the same.

“Chaplains will always help people, always have … always will, no matter who comes their way,” says Lee.

15 Responses to “Military chaplains debate roles without ‘DADT’”

  1. WWG December 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm Permalink

    “Promoting a homosexual agenda.”

    I have NEVER understood that idea. Wtf, let’s convince people to join a minority group where they will be harrassed, possibly beaten up, have to hide who they are, etc etc. Right, we also CHOOSE to be gay. Dimwits. I AM gay because that’s how I was made, along with all my other attributes. I couldn’t give two shits if anyone else is or isn’t gay. I honor and respect whomever they love because guess what, I don’t care!

    GRRR. I’ll step off my anger box now, thanks.

  2. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm Permalink

    Maybe I read this one section incorrectly, but it really bothers me that if soldiers/someone comes out publically as gay they are “promoting homosexuality”. I have heard this in several other context before and find it very narrow minded and disturbing that people think this when all the person is saying is that he or she is gay. So please, I need some clarification on what is meant by this part above “I fear and many others fear that down the road, knowing the other agenda items that are on the plate of those promoting a homosexual lifestyle, (there) would be a concern that chaplains would be restricted from proclaiming their faith tenets,” says Lee.” So are they saying that if the chaplain comes out as gay they will not be allowed to preach their faith because people will think they are trying to promote homosexuality? Sorry to pin-point one section of this above post, but I just don’t understand this expression/belief (I get that it is coming from fear/ignorance behind it) on several levels and welcome some wisdom and clarification what is meant by that expression and why this “promoting homosexuality” term/belief tends to be common expression when someone “comes out”. Thanks

  3. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 5:46 pm Permalink

    WWG – I was getting VERY annoyed and writing about the exact same thing at the exact same time you were. lol Yes, that expression “promoting homosexuality” REALLY pisses me off and ALWAYS has. I have heard it MANY times (I am sure all of us have). I just do not understand how they get “promoting” anything just because someone says “I am gay”. What the hell type of sense is that?????? That is like a pregnant adult women teacher telling her high school kids she is pregnant and getting accused of promoting sex. WTF!!!!! Yes I am gay and I have NO interest in promoting a damn thing for other people to do with their lives etc. Sorry this expression really bothers me so I am standing on your “anger box” WWG on this one.

  4. WWG December 6, 2010 at 6:39 pm Permalink

    ::scoots over and makes room:: Welcome to the Anger Box Jazzy.

    Who else wants to join? Our club rules include shaking your fist at stupid comments, yelling loudly, shaking the shoulders of idiots, and the occasional harsh word towards said idiots.

  5. JT December 6, 2010 at 8:05 pm Permalink

    LOL! Wow! Two femmes on an anger box together…won’t touch that!

    On the subject at hand, though…I feel some people are just way to out in left field on relationship issues. If folks just minded their own business the world would run so much smoother. This remindes me of getting kicked out of Dodger Staduim for having my arm around my beautiful date. They actually had us on the big screen for a second or two before someone came down and told us we had to leave. Now, me being me…wanted to scream bloody murder at them but, my girl put the brakes on and so we left. To this very day, I wish I had made a deal of it all. I mean, it wasn’t like we were making out in fromt of people. I guess at Dodger Stadium you can’t put your arm around a female if you are female too. WTF! “F” DADT! Should have filed a lawsuit!

  6. K December 6, 2010 at 8:17 pm Permalink

    Haha. Anger box. The next post is going to be full of anger boxes…good luck ladies. Be easy on me when it comes eh? And also, let’s look at it from a real world perspective. Yes military law is different than civilian law, but tell me something. Is there “room” for ministry leaders in the real world? With all of these heathen homos running around it amazes me that we still have churches standing!! Ha. Maybe that’s why I’ve been called a belligerent homosexual before…hmm I’ll check on that.

  7. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 8:41 pm Permalink

    @ WWG – Yes I will join you there for sure. :)
    @ JT – WOW That is ridiculous you dealt with that at Dodger Stadium!!! That definitely made me remain on the box with WWG. I HATE the pointing out of you guys on the screen and then asking you to leave!!!!!! I am a VERY, VERY calm person- in mid 30s and have only screamed at one person in my entire life (and this person pushed my buttons for 3 years prior to me screaming lol), but THAT would push even me. (WTF don’t they understand that butches are a thousand times sexier than men- that is my personal take on the situation :) anyhow). I am sorry you guys went through that.
    @ K- Back to the post at hand. Very well written. Can you please clarify my question above. Sorry I know I’m missing something on this, but I truly don’t understand why “promoting homosexuality” seems to always be brought up when talking about gays coming out publically. How/why do people think gays are promoting other people to be guy just by announcing they themselves are gay? Is this just an expression of fear? Why the word “promoting”? I have wondered the how and whys of society’s relationship between the two concepts “promoting” something (homosexual “agenda”) and “announcing” (coming out to others you’re gay) something for a long time and would really appreciate your wisdom and clarification on this. Thanks

  8. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 8:43 pm Permalink

    Opps typo- I meant ” …other people to be gay…” (I accidently typed “guy” lol typo)

  9. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 9:03 pm Permalink

    @ K – And while I am on my questioning rant lol sorry. What the hell is a “homosexual agenda” anyhow??? To turn all the straight people gay????? That is obviously the fear/agenda here I think otherwise it wouldn’t be an issue. It seems more like a “heterosexual agenda” to turn all the gay people straight. Please expand :) on this concept of society’s “homosexual agenda”? I ask a lot of questions lol but I look forward to your answers- lots of food for another blog (hint,hint). Thanks :)

  10. K December 6, 2010 at 10:16 pm Permalink

    Ok ok you win. I just sent it to Sasha ok? But there’s another blog before it so you have to wait. Sorry babe.

  11. Jazmenha December 6, 2010 at 10:19 pm Permalink

    @ K- I’m sorry to ask so many questions lol I just think too much. lol You can only imagine when I was a kid “Why?” “Why?” “Why?” “WHAT???” LOL LOL :)

  12. K December 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm Permalink

    No. Its refreshing. Usually I’m the only one who asks questions. I asked why often. And still do. It makes things sticky and I love it.

  13. Foxy Brown December 7, 2010 at 3:19 pm Permalink

    so, ive been lurking here for about a year…i don’t have much to say except *ahem, taps the mic*

    i’m gay + i’m a chaplain + i’m out! i work right alongside a person who thinks that homosexuality is wrong, but i’m not here to counsel him. i’m here to counsel my patients. i concur with the closing statement of this post.

    *drops the mic*

  14. K December 8, 2010 at 7:55 pm Permalink

    Ooohh foxy brown good for you girl!

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